The watchword here is "Disproportionate response"
I can't and won't deny that Hamas are, at best, fucking morons (and at worst, violent zealots). I can't and won't deny that them constantly launching rockets into Israel is a crime that warrants a response, possibly even a military one. But what we've seen over the past month or so is the IDF crossing the line. Their campaign has killed hundreds, possibly thousands, of innocent Palastinian civilians. Artillery strikes against known residential areas. Bombing runs against hospitals. White Phosphoros shells fired at a UN humanitarian base. And why? Because some 14 year old with a head full of extremist tripe took a couple of 7.62mm pot-shots at a tank or something. The IDF have been hitting any sort of resistance at all with the biggest damn hammer they have to hand. And now, live on national TV, the people of Israel have been shown the results of indiscriminate attacks such as this. The attacks their government has ordered.
I have absolutely nothing against the Israeli people. The vast majority of them are just people trying to go about their lives, just like the vast majority of Palestinians. I am coming to a serious dislike for their government though, and the war crimes they seem to be committing. Because that is precisely what a "disporportionate response" is. Google it if you don't believe me, I'm sure others will explain it better than I ever could.
If things carry on like this, one of two things are going to happe. Either the IDF are going to effectively eradicate the Palestinian people (making them guilty of genocide) or some whacko zealot is going to turn Jerusalem into a half-mile wide crater of glowing glass. I find it terrifying that neither side seems to be able to see this.
On a side note in response to yours, yes al-Husayni was a fundamantalist nutcase. But some of the Jews from that time weren't much better...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
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Kerrisis There's someone in my head, but it's not me., Mon 19 Jan 2009, 2:53,
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I don't dispute the Irgun or the Stern gang
I just wish people would stop referring to Palestinians as suffering for European Guilt. The Arab elite at that time were well and truly part of European affairs. The image of them as innocents is an entirely new propaganda invention.
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You know what else is an entirely new propaganda invention?
Megaphone.
giyus.org/
It's pretty rich you trying to call propaganda when this kind of crap is going around.
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gronkpan, Mon 19 Jan 2009, 3:16,
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But at least they're not making stuff up
this is just a way of getting people to act on a single issue on the internets.
They're not reinventing history with accounts of a Palestinian state being stolen away in '67 or total ignorance of near history.
There's a different between mass action and bullshit.
(, Mon 19 Jan 2009, 3:18, Reply)
I'm sure you can work that one out in your mind
but I'm out here with everyone else.
Could you please go into some more detail about how israeli media manages to be 100% truthful?
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gronkpan, Mon 19 Jan 2009, 3:53,
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What about the Palestinian civilians who were told by Israeli forces to leave their homes
and were then gathered up and shot?
Your Government has been accused of war crimes by the UN. They will be held accountable. Let's face it, you've shoved over a million people into a ghetto, have removed their right to move freely, prevented food, aid and medical supplies from entering, shot at civilians for the most minor of transgressions, and now you think you have the upper hand you are slaughtering them, all the while blaming THEM for the fact they are being killed.
Remind you of anything?
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