WOOOOOOOOOO!
This sooooooo hard!
We might see more real artists, who do it for the art.
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:28, Share, Reply)
Is your "o" button broke?
"who do it for the art".
Yeah that's a load of bollocks.
What does that mean exactly?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:34,
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Doing it for the love of it, as opposed to for the money.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:40,
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That's the most middle class wank i've heard in a long time.
Back to the day when people ponced about doing bland water colours and writing poetry whilst mama and papa paid for their up keep.
Or maybe if they were lucky they got a rich patron to keep them in rhodamine fucking red.
People got bills to pay.
Musics cheaper than it ever was.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:44,
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What has class got to do with anything?
Other than the fact that you have some kind of pampered sense of entitlement usually only displayed by spoilt rich kids.
Van Gogh lived and died a pauper. He did it for the love of it.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:18,
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you pretentious idiot
van gogh repeatedly tried to sell art, and ending up giving away paintings to satisfy an extremely large bar tab...
his doing it for the love of it, caused him to die pennyless and alone thinking the world thought he was rubbish....
he would have been overjoyed to have sold a painting for a large sum...
he did it for the love it, because no one would pay him...read his letters to his brother...it tortured him inside.
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:21, Share, Reply)
It's class because the only peopel i've heard mention doing "art for the love of it" have been in that class.
And very well off.
The Van Gough argument is bollocks as per comments above.
What because I earn a living as a creative I need to have a fucking miserable life?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:36,
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yeah its like plumbers or carpenters or doctors...
they do all their work for free "for the love of it"
oh hang on wait...
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:54, Share, Reply)
it means
if someone is producing 'art', thereby referring to themselves as 'artists', just to make a living, well, keep it.
Art for cash is shite. shite shite shite
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:42, Share, Reply)
Then you make creativity the reseve of the rich.
Those that have bills to pay can keep any talents they have buried and work on the tills instead eh?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:46,
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Rest of us?
The creative industries employ 794,000 people in this country and contributes £28billion to the UK economy.
It's not just a few perfumed ponces faffing about have a nice time.
How about you support that industry and avoid even more reliance on the financial sector?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:10,
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I produce music
It's not very good in my opinion, but I enjoy it, always have. That doesn't mean that I am entitled to a living from it. If I made something I was really proud of, and it somehow got out to the world and loads of other people enjoyed it, I'd be chuffed to bits, not sitting here with a grump on with my hand out.
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:15, Share, Reply)
There is a difference between doing something as a hobby and as a job.
I used to be grateful for any publicity.
Worked for every evening for no money until I managed to land my first graphics job.
Then I got paid a small amount of money for it, worked all day 5 days a week getting home knackered eye's hurting from looking at a screen all day.
After while I got better at it. Got paid more.
Now I earn a living from it.
It's not a "grump on" it's protecting an industry that's on a knife edge.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:25,
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so if you make a table you can sell it
but if you make an album you should give it away for free?
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:25, Share, Reply)
No, you can try and sell it
but don't start moaning when people decide to NOT buy it because technology has moved on to such a degree that they can get a duplicate for free.
Nobody forced you to spend X thousand pounds hiring out a recording studio plus engineer plus mastering. Diddums.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:34,
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i dont make music...
i sell film/tv/and internet ideas...
i do this so that i can provide a house and a life for my family
(a modest one)
but i should be doing this for the love right?
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 12:48, Share, Reply)
if you want to call yourself an artist, yes
if you do it just for money, then its just a job.
If you get paid, good for you.
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you seem to have misunderstood the role
money has in art...
artists like van gogh were Career painters...they wanted to sell their work for money.
the whole doing it for art thing... is mainly a product of the minds that arn't connected to industry.
michaelangelo was a sculpter and painter FOR HIRE
as was Da vinci....
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:08, Share, Reply)
What an excellent point you've just made!
You've named arguable three of the most highly respected artistes of all time, yet ALL of them, as you rightly point out, had day jobs to pay the bills and supplement their love for art. Let alone the fact that Van Gogh died a pauper.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:48,
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erm...
no i was illustrating that all of those ARTISTS used paid for comissions...
that the ART they created was PAID FOR IN ADVANCE...
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:51, Share, Reply)
Your point being...?
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 13:56,
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that none of those GREAT ARTISTS
were doing it for the art... they where all paid... and paid fairly well by todays standards...
it was in response to a comment which said if i create something and sell it...its a job... and that i can only be an artist if i give it away for free...
its all in the thread dude... seriously.
EDIT: here it is lazy:
me: but i should be doing this for the love right?
NOG: if you want to call yourself an artist, yes
if you do it just for money, then its just a job.
(, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 14:00, Share, Reply)
I don't have a clue what relevance this has to the original topic...
You wanna call yourself an artist? Go for it.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 14:07,
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Exactly.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Fri 23 Mar 2012, 11:35,
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