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This is a normal post Interesting stuff.
The big problem with capitalism is ,as soon as it goers tits up, they press the nuclear button .All bets are off and we enter a recession/austerity/depression/stock crash etc.
this is why it will never fail, it continually papers over its shortcomings by going cap in hand to the people it's trying to convince of its validity. [/PaulMason]
 (Spin Its a thing., Mon 3 Aug 2015, 22:46, Reply)
This is a normal post it was more the difference in tone of the two articles that interested me
and their sources/intended audience - motive/intention/agenda etc
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Mon 3 Aug 2015, 22:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Interesting stuff.
I like Chris Mullin and I'd trust him over Paul Mason. I get the feeling whenever I watch him on channel 4, he's really Billy Bragg in disguise. It's the accent.

A very british coup was fun as well.
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Mon 3 Aug 2015, 22:51, Reply)
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i like how mullin gets the trotskyite corbyn jibes in whilst welsh mentions the price of ecstasy tablets in relation to the wider economy. classy.
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Mon 3 Aug 2015, 22:57, Reply)
This is a normal post eh, he's a fun writer as well, he's just a little taken in by it all.
And that's fine, as an artist he would be. I mean I must admit when I discovered the internet's power to transmit incredible amounts of copyrighted material easily I wondered if the ol' capitalism would get a knock. In truth though, since the internet's managed and operated by capitalism, it's not going to face the death knell yet.

Mason jumped the gun but worse than that apparently used an obscure soviet thinker. Never a good idea unless you're finding out how much they were allowed to express openly.
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Mon 3 Aug 2015, 23:15, Reply)
This is a normal post taken in by it all, as in having actually read and thought about the book?
and then reviewed and critiqued it? as opposed to mullins 'review'? did you read them both?
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Mon 3 Aug 2015, 23:24, Reply)
This is a normal post er, yeah I did, and by taken in, he clearly sees it in the positive.
And whilst a solid, verbose and pretty lengthy critique, I myself still am a little skeptical. I'm yet to read the actual book, however.

And chris mullins's's's whilst short is a nice review as well, the limitations of the book are certainly noted, but as I say I'm yet to read it myself. I'm guessing you disagree with him?
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Mon 3 Aug 2015, 23:58, Reply)
This is a normal post not read the book yet either - may pick it up in a charity shop for a quid if it pops up.
don't really have an opinion, not really qualified - it was more a vibe thing. i got the sense that mullin wasn't really reviewing the book as much as he was taking a political opportunity in the current climate. but then the same could be said of welsh or even the timing of the release of the book under review itself, i dunno. i just thought there was an interesting contrast in the two takes. the 'truth' is somewhere in the muddle (sic) perhaps.
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 0:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Well as I say Chris Mullin wrote about a pretty lefty leader in a positive light in A very British Coup which he based on Tony Benn and knows Jeremy Corbyn.
I doubt he's being tactically in reviewing for political benefit.There's always the possibility that's the case however, I think, frankly though it's a matter of disagreement. I personally thought Mullin had a tone of grudging cynicism in his writing, especially when he mentioned a politician raised in the 40s who thought we'd be past it all by now.

Yes, the review's succinct, but I don't think that's a major flaw of Mullin's review, rather it's a major flaw that the guardian wouldn't be arsed publishing an astonishingly lengthy review in the same vein as Welsh.

There's also a tone in his language as well that seems casual, but Orwell was usually casual in how he wrote.
And there's an inclusion of the word 'jargon' there that I always detest as being an indication of laziness, but in the case of a worldwide academic review of capitalism I'd say it might be warranted.

Critically though in his review he finds flaws in what the guy uses as sources and says he missed some stuff out, that Welsh says was in the book, so I dunno..it's more than likely not only reading the book but also taking a course on economic wave theory to touch a fraction of certainty that either position is correct.

The truth probably does lie somewhere in the middle, or perhaps whilst they're debating about this, capitalism will win out because it's well easy and I need to buy my weekly shop soon.
 (I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Tue 4 Aug 2015, 2:09, Reply)