born, and dropped on the head, again.
Someone I knew at university had been 'born again' and once told me that 'even with slavery, there were better family values in the 19th century than now'. Which isn't just 'stupid' as in 'horribly misplaced set of priorities', but also 'stupid' as in 'laughably inaccurate'...

I was arguing with this same guy about abortion, he declared that 'abortion is murder', I said that if the fetus is alive it's murder, but what if it isn't? I think he expected me to put an argument such as what if the woman isn't ready to have a child so he could 'trump' it by saying it doesn't matter it's murder...which to me is a valid argument as far as it goes...so he was getting a bit fed up with me keeping on the track, and eventually he said 'it doesn't matter whether the fetus is alive or not, it's about people taking actions and being able to avoid the consequences'. Since then I've suspected that maybe that's what's driving at least some opposition to abortion.
(apeloverage committed the vile act of onanism on, Fri 7 Jan 2005, 17:31, Reply)