Irrational Hatred
People who say "less" when they mean "fewer" ought to be turned into soup, the soup fed to baboons and the baboons fired into an active volcano. What has you grinding your teeth with rage, and why?
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( , Thu 31 Mar 2011, 14:36)
People who say "less" when they mean "fewer" ought to be turned into soup, the soup fed to baboons and the baboons fired into an active volcano. What has you grinding your teeth with rage, and why?
Suggested by Smash Monkey
( , Thu 31 Mar 2011, 14:36)
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I'm an English teacher (English as a Foreign Language)
so I have to use the IPA all the time. In connected speech, as in sentence level, uninterrupted speech, '[should] have' and '[should] of' do sound exactly the same (/əv/) . The only time we hear the pronunciation /hæv/ is when we are using the word in isolation as a standard verb - not when it's an auxiliary. MAYBE it's used to denote stress of that part of the phrase in a conditional. I don't think this is likely though, we're more likely to stress 'He SHOULD have come', 'HE should have come' or 'He should have COME' than 'He should HAVE come'. This is because as 'have' has a grammatical rather than standard verb function here we don't have reason to stress it.
All the textbooks I use explicitly teach students TO pronounce 'have' in perfect tenses in the way you say is 'incorrect' (/əv/). Frankly, it isn't incorrect. It's how we use the language, I'm afraid.
/end grammar rant
( , Sun 3 Apr 2011, 18:18, 1 reply)
so I have to use the IPA all the time. In connected speech, as in sentence level, uninterrupted speech, '[should] have' and '[should] of' do sound exactly the same (/əv/) . The only time we hear the pronunciation /hæv/ is when we are using the word in isolation as a standard verb - not when it's an auxiliary. MAYBE it's used to denote stress of that part of the phrase in a conditional. I don't think this is likely though, we're more likely to stress 'He SHOULD have come', 'HE should have come' or 'He should have COME' than 'He should HAVE come'. This is because as 'have' has a grammatical rather than standard verb function here we don't have reason to stress it.
All the textbooks I use explicitly teach students TO pronounce 'have' in perfect tenses in the way you say is 'incorrect' (/əv/). Frankly, it isn't incorrect. It's how we use the language, I'm afraid.
/end grammar rant
( , Sun 3 Apr 2011, 18:18, 1 reply)
Oh yeah...
and 'their' and 'there' (and I would say 'they're', too) are pronounced /ðeə/ in RP. I wouldn't try to use the IPA unless you actually know how to use it properly...
( , Sun 3 Apr 2011, 19:18, closed)
and 'their' and 'there' (and I would say 'they're', too) are pronounced /ðeə/ in RP. I wouldn't try to use the IPA unless you actually know how to use it properly...
( , Sun 3 Apr 2011, 19:18, closed)
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