becky, i do respect you sufficiently to have read your post properly.
my point is this: you cannot imply that someone who signs off a letter is responsible for making the policy contained therein, that will be down to HR and LEGAL. a pro-forma letter from file is what they are signing.
am i not right there?
( blaireau69 , the Cumbrian Travis Bickle., Thu 8 Jul 2010, 23:22, 2 replies)

this is correct
but it is normally drafted by the wanker who makes the policies. or more likely by an underling of the wanker that makes the policies because they're far too important to do something like typing a letter.
(orestes is shitting in the 1940s, Thu 8 Jul 2010, 23:28, closed)

as i said...
HR and LEGAL.
( blaireau69 , the Cumbrian Travis Bickle., Thu 8 Jul 2010, 23:30, closed)

i think i've realised you can't generalise between companies
HR's sole purpose at my work is hiring, firing and getting your wages wrong. legal will tell the policy makers that they can go ahead and levy these ridiculous charges that people complain about but they don't set the policy. person on letter does.

as i've found out elsewhere, it ain't the same everywhere.
(orestes is shitting in the 1940s, Thu 8 Jul 2010, 23:36, closed)

haha, you NEVER get to speak to the person on the letter! and generally they ARE the ones that make up the policies and only care about increasing the profit margins and shafting people. that's their job and they never have to answer to it.
From the mouths of proles (no offence). I'm pretty sure I can assume that they made the policy or had some part in forming it. I expect they were human people once.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Thu 8 Jul 2010, 23:28, closed)

BULLSHIT!
policy comes from HR/LEGAL (or similar level, definitely not "supervisor", it is their job to "oversee" which is what supervisor means). it's not the job of HR to make direct contact with "us"if they can avoid it (£150/hr+) more to instruct the "lowlier ones"(£25/hr) to do such, and to act as a buffer.
I have almost always spoken to the signee of the letter when dealing with the bodies i mentioned in my previous reply and almost always found them to be more than reasonable.
after all, if they get caught being a cnut then they can be well busted.
at least in the real world.
( blaireau69 , the Cumbrian Travis Bickle., Thu 8 Jul 2010, 23:44, closed)

where you are, maybe
£25 an hour? do you shit gold bullion for a living?

i think my model is pretty much how it works in any bullshitty frontline bank/isp/utility company jobs. HR make more than we do but not THAT much.
(orestes is shitting in the 1940s, Thu 8 Jul 2010, 23:48, closed)

charge-out rate.
not Pay rate.
i was referring to out-sourced HR and Supervisory charge-out rates for private business. not banks maybe, but the real world. i.e. any U.K. based industry not massively subsidised by the government and employing fewer than 10 people (ie the largest per-capita sector in the employment market)
( blaireau69 , the Cumbrian Travis Bickle., Fri 9 Jul 2010, 0:06, closed)