True then, not so much now
If you a warm house and wine and spices and fir bread, the only way you'll get them is by working for someone else and the only way you'll get more is by working harder. Nobody these days has much leisure and you'd be hard pressed to find much of a landed gentry to enserf the proletariat either.

Capitalism has achieved much in bringing about the end that Marx wanted, including funding the state that provides the net for those unable to work. The means probably weren't what he'd have expected. He was writing of geniuine suffering and grievance, but 'Marxists' today do not have that legitimacy.
( Scrumper, Fri 19 Jun 2009, 12:03, 1 reply)

not if you count
the Third World, which I think is about 2/3 of people...and even then there's real, '19th century style' poverty in the First World.
(apeloverage committed the vile act of onanism on, Fri 19 Jun 2009, 15:40, closed)

Yes fair point
I, like Marx, was talking about England. If you take the wider world, including bits of the first world (USA especially), then I agree that it's hardly right for us to sit back, put our feet up and declare 'job done.'

Although that's exactly what I'm going to do now, because it's Friday afternoon. Pub time. Have a good weekend and a *click* for a post that's nothing like the others.
( Scrumper, Fri 19 Jun 2009, 16:20, closed)