i can honestly undersdtand that
it's a very preachy way of doing it, and people that are successes in it can be very condescending. it worked for me though and I'm indebted to them forever because of it
( SickRik float like a camembert sting like a brie, Mon 17 Nov 2008, 20:21, archived)

www.blamedenial.co.uk. That was his rant.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Mon 17 Nov 2008, 20:32, archived)

he looks like he had a bad experience of it
I met some great people through it but to be honest the best thing i ever did was leave this awful country for 7 years, that was my "12 steps"
( SickRik float like a camembert sting like a brie, Mon 17 Nov 2008, 20:35, archived)