Neither of those are outrageous or exaggerated
The average horsepower of a European car still remains less than 100hp. In that situation, with the other figures I've quoted, 15% is a fair figure.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 11 Jun 2009, 19:25, archived)

You're making it all up.

( Dave Trouser ; the people's choice - 75% agree, Thu 11 Jun 2009, 19:26, archived)

oh right
in that case, close your eyes, breathe deep, count to 7, then punch yourself in the face.
( Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Thu 11 Jun 2009, 19:27, archived)

You've failed to quote any sources. You might as well be making it all up.
But posting sources NOW means you fail even more, for being an idiot.
( Dave Trouser ; the people's choice - 75% agree, Thu 11 Jun 2009, 19:31, archived)