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(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 19:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes.
He was lovely to the gays. Trade unionists too. Political dissidents fared well also. The health service was the best in the world. I liked how he brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. And those high literacy rates. Literate in anything that wasn't censored or forbidden.

I just can't understand why literally millions fled in boats or homemade rafts, risking their lives to do so.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 19:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post hi pru!
no. you didn't actually watch listen to the arguement presented in the video, did you?
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 19:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post I listened as long as I could bear the lies,
about ninety seconds.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 19:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post guess i shoulda included a trigger warning - soz

(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't flatter yourself snowflake.
In about fifty years morons like you will be mourning the death of Kim Jong Un.
"He outsaw ten American presidents!"
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post you really didn't listen to the argument presented in the video, did you pru?

(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ninety seconds.
There was no argument, a defence ain't an argument. Do you agree with sending gays to labour camps? I don't. I think it's evil and inexcusable. Do you believe in summary executions, without trial? Do you support torture of dissidents? History will NOT absolve him. Castro apologists are scum.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post 90 of 360
well done. so you just read a quarter of each parties manifesto before deciding on who to vote for?
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Be obtuse then.
Always wins the argument.
Did you know the low infant mortality rate in Cuba is a direct result of compulsory abortions? Funnily enough they have one of the world's lowest rates of Down's syndrome.
Tell me more about the communist social justice paradise that is Cuba.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post the argument presented over the full course of the video
is far bigger than cuba or castro. engage with the argument presented in the video, not the headline, pru. x
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nah.
I know well the cut of your jib. Zero intellectual integrity. Either homophobia and other human rights abuses are evil, or they ain't. Stop excusing scum that perpetuate these evils because they share some imbecilic left wing ideology.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 21:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post .
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8946ojRoX3Y
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 23:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post If this was a first date conversation,
would you see Prufrock again?
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 0:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post I know Channel 4 producers are desperate,
but seriously, I think that show has already been made.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 0:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Owned again you sad pathetic snowflake.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 2:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post OK, so Pru might not have watched the whole video...
...well I did, and Pru is entirely spot on...

Sure, there was a chance that in the last 75% she might have said something intelligent and insightful, and sure there was a chance that Pru would have looked like a fool.

But that didn't happen, and thus this entire argument is total guff.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 10:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post no. no it isn't
it is an apoligia for a brutal dictator. She's like those academics who went to Stalin's Russia and saw what they wanted to see - and that was not 'collectivisation of the kulaks' (in plain words mass starvation).
'I'd rather be in a Cuban prison than Guanatamo Bay'
Whataboutery at premier league level.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 21:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^This
Her argument was "Yes he did terrible terrible things but so did other countries" Oh so thats OK then?
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 9:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Did he make the trains run on time?

(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post That was FUCKING Blair you prick

(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 13:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post she was introduced as an impartial academic
but is the author of 'Fidel: the musical'.
You're either a dictator who has seen one bloody fifth of your population flee to the evil hurtful wicked United States while imprisoning tens of thousands of the rest while everyone on in your entire country goes on the game (dollars only please) or you're not.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post I love these arguments
human rights record: She heard some people say that they would rather be in a Cuban jail than Guantanamo Bay, so Castro was good on human rights.
freedom of speech: People would be arrested for criticizing Castro, but then they would be released later so it's really great actually.

The stuff she says about human rights and homosexuality just doesn't reflect what went on in the 70s and 80s.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 20:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post the example she gave on freedom of speech was
some drunk nutter. Classic.
A fifth of the population fled. A fifth.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 21:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post God, I feel dirty for saying this
but I agree with Prufrock and TheACFanClub. Castro's political position is unimportant. He was a dictator who put in place a system which forcibly removed opposition temporarily and permanently, denied people the freedom to be themselves, and didn't allow people to change the system.

He was, in short, a twat.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 21:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post The dilemma of the left since the end of WWII
America is so obviously the neighbourhood bully that anyone against it must be right.
This should have unwound when the world understood Stalin.
But instead we have the front bench of the Labour party supporting the most god awful people in the world.
Actually the reality of Cuba is complex. As the US has recently learned, democracy and the rule of law don't miraculously appear.
(, Sun 4 Dec 2016, 21:59, , Reply)
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And the tory scum selling them the arms.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 2:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post 'Complex' hahahah, yeah.
Also 'Recently learned' fuck's sake, no. No they HAVEN'T learned. They REPEATEDLY haven't learned, which is why they kept up not only an embargo on Cuban goods, but numerous attempts to promote coups and assassination attempts for nearly fourty years.
'Castro wasn't a nice man, Commies are bad' is as much a one point argument as your 'dilemma of the left'.
But I guess you never bothered to read up on the Baptiste regime that the USA supported and Castro overthrew.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 3:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post This.
Glad I'm blocked by Pru, one less simplistic opinion to read.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 7:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post But the opposition he removed was a military dictator
who killed 30,000 in the years leading up to the revolution. I'm not sticking up for Fidel, just stating the reason it happened. The vast majority of the issues in Cuba are down to the USA. You have a communist government that ousted a US backed government, which had let the mafia effectively run the country. The US led an attempted invasion, and tried for decades to kill Castro. Hardly a scenario thats going to make a new government feel safe and stable. Its the US led sanctions that are the cause of the majority of poverty in Cuba.

Left wing and right wing press are as bad as each other. The left talk like he was some sort of angel, while the right would have you believe the Cuba before the revolution was some sort of Caribbean democratic heaven
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 8:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post this is reasonable
Good and bad. Was he like Hitler? No. Was he like Gandhi? No. Was he a discrete human who deserves to be judged on his own terms? Yeah

This idea that anyone who isnt a democrat gets put in the bin marked 'evil' is odd. We've only had universal suffrage here since 1928 so you could apply that to any leader we've had before then - Lloyd George, Disraeli, Cromwell, Henry V - all of whom now have statues in that London and are held up as national heroes.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 9:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post "A father figure"
It's twat heads like this which make mocking and being cynical about the left so easy.

He was a dictator who imprisoned and executed loads of people who had an opinion other than his own, you moronic imbacile
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 7:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Always pointing at the other side.
If this is the approach people want to take, for best results please face a mirror before pointing commences.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 8:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post Er?
You've just reminded me why I hardly ever come here anymore.

I remarked she is a twat for being an apologist for a tyrant. Such an opinion has obviously wounded you for some reason, perhaps because you are sympathetic to his left-leaning political ideology; excusing the fact he was a cunt. But anyway
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 8:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post she's basing her opinon on a lifetime of research
What are you basing yours on?
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 9:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post You remarked she's a twat
and used that to dismiss the left.
You can use people like her to dismiss a larger section of society, but that doesn't mean you should.
edit: and assuming that because I disagree with part of your position, your method or your conclusions that I must support the diametric position is very silly.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 11:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Stop getting so precious
And taking everything personally.
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 21:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post nobody engages with my Pro Castro argument
I have no doubt he was totalitarian cunt, did numerous cunt things that only totalitarian cunts can get away with. Maybe for some peasant farmer he might have made life better, but I would have hated living there.
However, the world has turned into an endless bloody shopping mall of Body Shops, Gaps and Starbucks and people playing pokemon on their iphones. I was in Thailand last year and they had a Tescos. It's not the world of my childhood nor of my imagination's desire, so I'm grateful to the old beardy bastard for keeping Cuba locked in the 50's for all these years, just for a bit of diversity
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 10:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's freedom isnt it?
Working all day to earn enough to buy a coffee and an app to stare at. One day, if you work hard enough you might be able to afford those Lamborghini speakers that were on here the other day. Or even an oddly proportioned gold plated corinthian column like what Trump has got to put his telly on. Castro was a threat to those universal rights
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 10:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post That
And the right to choose what you fucking read
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 11:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post within what our censorship laws allow, yes

(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 11:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post hmm
I don't think this is particularly biased, it's asking opposing views of a commentator that is predominantly pro Castro, isn't that what journalists are paid to do?

It's also a 5 minute clip from what was a full days reporting on the death of Castro, taken out of context with the rest of the interviews and reports
(, Mon 5 Dec 2016, 11:22, , Reply)