Crikey
Phenomenal bit of work by Scroobius Pip. Not actually sure what to say.
(, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 20:58, Share, Reply)
Wow
That's the best post I've ever seen on /links.
And very true, thanks.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 21:08,
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Its so well put
without being demeaning about a very, very harsh subject. I really am lost for words at the mo. My random Youtube evening has come to a total halt.
(, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 21:14, Share, Reply)
The studio version of this song is
here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9CxM6o-eI for anyone who hasn't heard it.
From the album Angles - can be bought here
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Rusty Shackleford www.junt.co.uk / @joeyrobbo, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 16:53,
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wow.....fuck.... thats good.... well not good but....good....
just have a clickk!....
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Sat 24 Sep 2011, 22:08,
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cheer up...
grooveshark.com/#/s/If+Your+Breasts/2yOAin?src=5
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Sat 24 Sep 2011, 22:24,
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That truly is
a little piece of amazing.
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Sweeplovesfisting Take all your footballs home and burst them., Sat 24 Sep 2011, 22:41,
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SHUT UP WHINGING AND GET A SHAVE!
Goddamn hippies...
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Lord Keeps meaning to procrastinate., Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:17,
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SHUT UP SHOUTING AND GET A SOUL!
Goddamn cynics...
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:22,
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Stop interrupting my "me" time!
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:30,
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For a third opinion,
I'm always torn between liking him and finding him annoyingly right-on.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:06,
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Hmmm
He's right sometimes, he's wrong sometimes but he isn't afraid to put his opinions across. Something I admire in anyone, however cuntish their views.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:10,
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I think my main problem with him
is that he doesn't seem to question his own opinions that much.
eg Though Shalt Always Kill preached against lots of things but was never critical of things he (and most of his audience) might do, which made it seem pretty arrogant and preaching to the converted. You could imagine Jeremy Clarkson doing a right wing version.
Not heard that much of his stuff to be honest, but a bit more self-depreciation and self-doubt would improve what I have heard massively.
Still, plenty of talent there.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:22,
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Not that I'm comparing the two in any other way but...
...that's kinda like judging The Beatles on just Yellow Submarine.
Get a hold of No Commercial Breaks (His first SOLO LP,long before all the Dan Le Sac stuff thats made the charts) and you'll see a different side of Pip. Not saying he's without any kind of pretension.Just that he's got quite a bit more breadth than that which you've experienced of him.
(, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 8:44, Share, Reply)
Fair enough
Have only ever heard the Dan Le Sac stuff. Will have to check that album out.
There's always plenty of lines in what I have heard that I've really liked, it's just when taken as a whole, (to me) it makes him sound like he thinks he is self-appointed Jesus. I think Jams hits the nail on the head when he says a big problem is he is "detached" in these songs.
I am also quite a cynical man, so the optimism might be putting me off a bit.
For me, this is how you combine pop and poetry perfectly:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=37QUUwp9xIs
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monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 11:14,
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I know what you're saying
but that song ends with the penultimate line as 'thou shalt think for yourselves', which I see as an instruction to disregard instructions such as the preceding song. It's quite Bill Hicks - make your own mind up, don't just blindly listen to the guy on your screen right now etc.
(, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 15:52, Share, Reply)
What happens when every other sixth form poet gets a webcam?
Have you thought of that?
(, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:33, Share, Reply)
He is no sixth form poet
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrMGXwhFLk&ob=av3n
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:52,
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I have just spent ten minutes.........
trying to fathom 'Sixth form poets' I first wondered if it was a combination of the first and third form , then thought Im too old and poetry has moved on etc etc . Then I realised 'its fackin spotty oiks' your on about.
Phew! Back to self assured smugness
(, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:03, Share, Reply)
And to think you could've spent that time wanking...
sometimes education is a bad thing.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:07,
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People say books and college are for to be to get you smarter, but they can also be for to be to get you dead.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAlBvxjApf4
(, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:37, Share, Reply)
Really compelling, amazing writing.
But it didn't really didn't need the high pitched beeping at 8000hz. Didn't really add anything, and was really kind of annoying.
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:33,
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At first...
I thought "what's this whiney poetic crap going to be?"
By the end I was almost in tears and sharing it with people. Nice find. Amazing. *click*
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Terry_Tibbs Coarse and violent nudity. Occasional language, Sat 24 Sep 2011, 23:40,
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It's good,
but i don't think he understands depression at all.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:18,
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It's nice that people
have now discovered Scroobius Pip though.
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:21,
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He certainly has talent.
Edit: but I'm not clicking i like this because he is very wrong, in this particular case.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:22,
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Im glad you have posted
He seems to be a tad detached and self indulgent.
(, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:39, Share, Reply)
No judgement here lady
I like him very much, it is his view on things in this case. I too don't feel inclined to click.
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 0:43,
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Apologies but he is very much in the right when it comes to this particular case
people have the right to do with their body what they will, but to deny that it will affect others is just willful denial.
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Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 1:00,
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It doesn't work that way.
you know it will affect others, but then you get into sub-catergories. Some believe the others don't really care anyway. Most believe the others would be better off without you, so you are actually doing the best thing for them. Depression is a bitch.
/experience blog.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 1:35,
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Give this person a cookie.
If you get to the point that you feel suicide is your only option then by that time you don't feel like anyone actually cares about you. Even before then you begin to wonder why you even bother talking to anyone else.
(, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 1:53, Share, Reply)
It isn't so much
that you feel no-one cares about you. That would be simple, and a hug would cure it, as it does in teenage angst. Depression bends logic, which is why it is so hard to understand. You hear people say they care about you; but the person they care about is the facade you have been putting up; but it isn't you. They like the person you try to be just fine. The one that jokes, sings, makes fucking videos whatever. And you want to be that person too. But you aren't.
People love what you might be. Not who you are.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 2:26,
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this exactly.
i have suffered with depression for years, it's a strange beast, even I don't understand it, it consumes you and the facade that comes up is a way of "self protection" you do tend to think nobody cares, it's dark.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Sun 25 Sep 2011, 3:46,
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I suppose that is a more accurate description.
I've been suffering for a while, but only recently been diagnosed, fortunately it's not too bad and I can cope with it most of the time.
But, excluding my doctor, there's only one person who I've actually told and I don't think I could cope so well if I didn't have her to talk to. With everyone else I just pretend everything is ok, but it's getting harder and harder to do that.
(, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 20:37, Share, Reply)
What's worse is when you're open and honest about what's 'wrong' with you and explain yourself honestly in an effort for them to understand what's going on a bit better. Being reassured they're there for you and will help.
But you're hypomanic. Everything's great when you're fun to be around, albeit a 'little bit bonkers', unpredictable and 'quirky'.
When you hit the pits of hellish depression, they just go away and leave, fed up with you being so down. Even your best friend in the world goes away. Because not even they can cope with your pain and suffering. But they expect you to cope with it. They get furiously mad and angry if you even dare to anything to hurt yourself, let alone when you finally attempt suicide.
Coming from a Bipolar sufferer (amongst my other vast collection of psych issues) who has recently had my best friend of almost 10 years give up on me. You are fully aware that people care. You are fully aware that people will hurt. But when they give up on you, when they don't want to put up with the hurt you're causing in life, who are they to deny you the peace which death can bring to everyone?
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Bathory, Sat 1 Oct 2011, 16:03,
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well put.
I mean, yes, it's possible to be depressed and yet remain aware that people *do* care about you and *will* be upset and have their lives disrupted if you off yourself.
But then, if you're aware of that, you're aware that these people around you who care about you *also* get upset and have their lives disrupted on a regular basis when you're having a panic attack, or you're waking up screaming from a night terror, or you're sobbing your heart out till 2am when you both need to be up at 6am, or when you miss work and social events because you simply can't bring yourself to put on the shiny public face and go out there and be the person you're expected to be.
Depression-logic then steps in and convinces you that you are a burden; a toxic person making everyone else's life nearly as unbearable as your own. You start to think that the acute distress caused to those around you by your one-off death will actually be quite minor compared to the cumulative distress they'd experience over another 40 years of day-to-day life with you and your illness. You believe, sincerely, that it's not just your own suffering you are ending.
When you're not depressed, it's easy to see that it really doesn't work like that. But as someone's already said further down the page, that's unlocking a box with the key you will find inside it.
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Batsgirl, Sat 1 Oct 2011, 8:47,
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He's kind of a white English Saul Williams.
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dirtyscarab intends to live forever. So far, so good..., Sun 25 Sep 2011, 4:40,
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but that's one of his tracks
or have you not heard his album?
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Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 8:56,
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nice sentiments
but i suspect the motivation to self harm is a bit more complicated than that.
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mutated monty, Sun 25 Sep 2011, 12:17,
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Hmm
Lot of things to say on this, but not nearly enough time. TheSundaeLunch speaks truths and facts.
Basically, the whole thing is; "Other people care about you". Which is lovely. But you might as well write a poem for someone who's hallucinating, telling them that there are no voices telling them to attack the carpet with a knife despite what they might be hearing.
In fact, quote attack:
"In my opinion it is just as absurd to call a man a coward who destroys himself, as to call a man a coward who dies of a malignant fever... It is in vain that a man of sound mind and cool temper understands the condition of such a wretched being, in vain he counsels him. He can no more communicate his own wisdom to him than a healthy man can instil his strength into the invalid, by whose bedside he is seated."
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"Shame upon him who can look on calmly, and exclaim, 'The foolish girl! she should have waited; she should have allowed time to wear off the impression; her despair would have been softened, and she would have found another lover to comfort her.' One might as well say, 'The fool, to die of a fever! why did he not wait till his strength was restored, till his blood became calm? all would then have gone well, and he would have been alive now.'"
Goethe - The Sorrows of Young Werther.
Anyway. Sounds like an angry young man who's bitter over someone close to him dying. Understandable, really, but I don't know if he'd be saying the same thing if she survived. Can you imagine him telling her all that as she lies on a hospital bed, lying her arse off to the doctors and nurses, trying to convince them to not section her? Hmm.
(, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 18:19, Share, Reply)
Also
"By no means am I belittling that because I've known the troubles you've had"
Belittle: to regard or portray as less impressive or important than appearances indicate; depreciate; disparage.
"And if one day you can't rein it in, and of your last breath you are the only witness, then fuck everybody else"
So this Scroobius Pip person is in a band? This poem thing of his has right fucked me off.
(, Fri 30 Sep 2011, 20:05, Share, Reply)
The only person who really knows the troubles is the person feeling the pain. And that pain was enough to make them end it. Nobody can appreciate how great that pain must have been. He should find solace in the fact that she can finally be in a place where she isn't hurting any more. Being angry at somebody for ending it all is as bad, if not worse, than the 'selfishness' of killing yourself.
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Bathory, Sat 1 Oct 2011, 16:07,
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The Bridge
Coming from somebody who has been to Hell and back, and back again, I can empathise with those who commit suicide. As a scientist, I attempted suicide with an accurately calculated dose of medication. For some bizarre reason my body fought it and woke up. I still wish I hadn't woken up. I'd do it again if it wasn't for the fact I'd hurt those I'd leave behind. The fallout from a suicide attempt is even more heartbreaking that the pain you feel beforehand. The fact that everyone HATES you for it. Hates you for not being able to cope any more. Nobody stops to think that maybe the pain and the suffering you are feeling is worse and completely unfathomable even in comparison to the pain you'll leave behind.
To quote quite possibly the most amazingly understanding woman on this planet, an elderly lady in the Eric Steele documentary 'The Bridge', on the subject of her extremely close friend (as if he were her own son),
'Now I'm sad, Now I miss him. When I got the news it was almost like a release - that he wasn't going to be dissapointed or unhappy any more. ..I don't know why people kill themselves. But it's a small step to empathise. Maybe there's a certain kind of release from pain, by pain. maybe he just wanted to fly sometime..' - most moving quote ever, from a woman, who, if I met her, would shake her by the hand. He jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge to his death after suffering from severe depression for years. If only every person had her outlook when suicide happens. That sometimes it needs to be appreciated that the person was just sufferiing too much and perhaps it's better for them to not be suffering any more.
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Bathory, Sat 1 Oct 2011, 9:38,
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As this thread still seems active
allow me to clarify my earlier comments. He talks of the little sister, looking up to the older sibling for guidence, a role model.
Well let me ask you this. Would you be happy if YOUR little sister turned to a liar, a cheat, a loser, a fake, an all round bad person and loved them unconditionally? Knowing they will cause your little sis nothing but pain and disappointment for her entire life? No you wouldn't. You would suggest your sister would be better off without them, even if it hurts for a bit; in the long run it is for the best.
That is how it is. I'm the older Sis. Luckily everyone thinks I'm an arse anyway, so it doesn't apply to me. Love isn't always a gift, sometimes it is pressure.
Hope that makes sense.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sat 1 Oct 2011, 17:49,
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I don't think you're an arse
Well, not all the time. Sometimes I'm an arse too.
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Fr_Jerry_McGwier looked over both shoulders at, Sun 2 Oct 2011, 15:12,
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Wow.
That literally blew me away, especially the last verse when he made it personal. Was expecting a b3ta-esque poor taste lol out of this, but instead it's cut through the bullshit and made me think tonight.
(, Sun 2 Oct 2011, 22:42, Share, Reply)
I love him
but it's hard for 'normies' to understand what it feels like when you get that low - it's not an intentionally selfish act, even if it's seen that way. I'm lucky in that I got help, even though I hate the shiny new bipolar label and associated therapy and pills - but it took a crisis for me to get sorted and I still struggle with lows, even with heaps of support. Lovely people make things groovy though...and chimps on iceskates :D x
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