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This is a normal post Haven't got time to watch all that but I tend to accept there was violence on both sides.
I just missed the meeting where we decided using violence to combat nazis & fascists was a bad thing.
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This is a normal post What I don't get...
Maybe someone can explain. Why do racist nationalist types cling to 1930s German National Socialism...there are other types of racist bigotry...even on its own awful terms it is a failure. A bit like the left with Marxism in that respect. That they are total shits is an acceptable but unsatisfactory answer.
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This is a normal post Uniforms
Also, the Spanish version - which let's face it lasted until the death of Franco - is catholic. And catholics are right up there were balcks and jews as US Nazi hate figures. The historical reason for US anit-catholicism is different from UK, of course. Catholics is code word for immigrants.
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This is a normal post Being members of one of the most evil and fascistic cults to ever exist, doesn't help.

(I helped save b3ta! Flash_Bastard, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 9:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post We still have a law
saying we are not allowed to have a catholic monarch.

I would be happy with one saying all monarchs must have no religion at all.

It's a step on the way to no monarchs...
 (I helped save b3ta! My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 9:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post President Farage?
Is that what you want? Cos that's what you'll get. Or possibly President Hopkins.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 9:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post He isn't like Hannibal Lecter in real life you know.
I reckon he'd probably be quite good.
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This is a normal post I reckon he'd reinstate standing for the national anthem in cinemas then run out of ideas

(benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 10:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post I never knew Anthony was so patriotic.

(eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 10:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post There is still a religious bent to their bigotry. You still see the "we hate jews cos they killed jebus" lot in the mix.
But there is a growing section of Odalists in the US that are turning to Norse heathenry to justify their white supremacy. You can see the Odal rune on some of their pretty little flags.

Generally they are regarded as a bunch of fucking cunts by heathens in the rest of the world...

www.someecards.com/news/so-that-happened/homophobic-pagans-get-schooled-by-the-irish-pagan-federation-ireland/
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 10:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post they find someone else to blame the historical failure on, either an internal faction or an external enemy
Then they reason that without this betrayal/opposition the movement would have been a huge success.

You see the same thing happening with brexit
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 10:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's identical isn't it?
And you voted for it.
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This is a normal post Ha...
...brilliant, Godwin's Law in reverse.
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This is a normal post the best thing about it (from their point of view)
is that it nourishes all the animalistic impulses that the ideology is based upon. Jews, liberals, intellectuals, forrins, whoever, are reiterated as the historic and current enemy and the hate continues and strengthens
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 12:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Your hero Corbyn and his baying mob Momentum have a great record on Jews.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 13:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well yes, it was external enemies.
Mostly the USA and Russia.
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This is a normal post His inflamatory statement yesterday was just ridiculous; the petulant whine of a spoilt brat previously forced to say the right thing.
I've no doubt there was violence on both sides, but absolutely no parity between the two.
Also, have you seen how tooled up some of the nazis were? Sweepstake on how long it takes before Trump has to doggedly claim that there was "violence on both sides" of the bloodbath?
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 9:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post For sure and he's gone back on his pre writing script yesterday and claiming parity.
I'm saying to pretend there was no violence on the left as some have done is a falsehood.

Personally if people are willing to combat fascism with force then great.

The battle of cable street was an important moment in UK history and wouldn't want something like that re-written and sanitised.
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This is a normal post Have you not seen Defiance?
there were some good guys on both sides but some very violent people opposing Hitler. Very violent guys.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 9:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post ooooooooooooooooooooooooookay

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This is a normal post you do understand that was sarcastic humour, right?

(I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 11:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post ah soz.
State of some users on here currently it's hard to tell, especially whilst glancing at /links between work.
Yes, Amadeus, between punters round the back of Lidl, yes.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 11:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post 50p and a bag of grapes...

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 11:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post If he cut down on the crack and stuck to smack
his concentration span would improve and he wouldn't have to turn half as many tricks.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 12:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post The 'permit' thing is becoming a bit of a meme
twatter link
 (horrid, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 10:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hah!

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 13:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post someone gets it

(I helped save b3ta! colmcq2, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 12:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post "I just missed the meeting where we decided using violence to combat nazis & fascists was a bad thing."
As far as I know, attacking a person for espousing a personal belief, however repugnant, is still illegal. The US declared war upon a country, not a political party or belief.

The problem, as we have seen recently in the US, is if you believe violence against nazis should be unchecked, a bad actor could label another as a "nazi" and harm them, seize their property, etc. It is a dangerous path.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 15:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post General point taken.
These guys are fucking Nazis though.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 15:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, they are inbred morons who have a severe self esteem problem.
And absolutely harmless physically, as a voting bloc, and as fashion mavens. Had people ignored them like they shoulda done, no one would have ever heard of Charlottesville. However, I suspect this was planned to make a splash by those organizations who announced months ago that they were putting money and resources into such things.

"But she is a Nazi, judge, that's why I beat up my girlfriend"
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 15:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post you agree with CNN?
edition.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/splc-guide-dealing-with-alt-right/index.html
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 16:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post "absolutely harmless physically"
Right-o! Her body's barely cold FFS.

Jesus man, the actual Nazi party was laughed at for years as a bunch of inbred thugs. Conservatives tried to reign them in with some concessions and that worked out really well.
 (horrid, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post See, even you didn't read about all the violence perpetrated on the rally goers. That might alter your opinion.
The ass driving the car did so after the rally was shut down. Just look it up on google or reddit, people are punching tons of photos of people sucker punching nazis.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've seen plenty of pics of people punching Nazis.
It's not what I would personally do no, but it doesn't alter my view or make me feel a shred of sympathy for them.

As for the actual death happening after the rally was shut down, I guess it was completely unrelated or their own fault for not getting a permit. If it was a Muslim, you're be calling them a terrorist.


 (horrid, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post These generalizations on race and religion are simply harmful and can lead to no good end.
These people have perverted the idea of tolerance and peace.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post more dangerous than letting nazis openly advocate genocide?

(benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 15:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the founder of Planned Parenthood openly advocate genocide.
Especially against the chus. We don't yet criminalize thought or speech.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 16:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post lots of people have had some funny ideas
but Planned Parenthood don't push an ideology based on that, and I have my doubts about the other examples you give too. Right wing parties are not necessarily Nazis either, but some of these *literally* are.

Like most countries you have hate speech laws, you even examine people's social media when they enter your country.

Free speech does not mean no consequences.
 (horrid, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 16:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hahahah, there's that ubiquitous description of leftist protest: "mostly peaceful".
But I agree with the theme of that article, for sure. I'm sure we've all been bullied for things we think, how we look, our religion, our nationality - the key is not to reuse those actions on things we don't like because we just justify the earlier bad acts.

And there have been consequences! Imagine being subject to the Mob that is social media: call you out, get you fired, ruin your life and without a moment's pause to verify that what you have been told about that person is true.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 16:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nazism isn't just something "we dislike"
It's not like crusty hippies or tea-party folks; yes dickheads at protests across the political spectrum overstep the mark but we're talking here about the whole point of the protest being to celebrate the violent persecution and slaughter of others.
 (horrid, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Indeed. And for the time being that's not criminal in the US
But by opening up Nazis to any consequence, you return to an environment where anyone can be accused of being Nazi/witch/whatever and be punished. With the fickleness and passing fads of humanity, that is a dangerous precedent.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post Leaving aside Planned Parenthood becasue it sounds like you've got another ludicrous conspiracy theory in your head
I suppose the difference between Nazis and those groups is that Nazis claim to represent white people, the majority, who already control the state apparatus and therefore the means to actually commit genocide
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's like saying that mosquitos are living and nazis live and white people in government live so mosquitos can commit genocide.
And Margaret Sanger was a notorious eugenicist.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post top work choosing an insect responsible for more deaths than all the genocides in human history
Good luck with it all by the way. Hope you dont have a funny sounding surname or a big nose
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post I wear mosquito repellant, so I'm good.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 17:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is in fact your signature scent.

(I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 16 Aug 2017, 20:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't know about illegal but i've always prioritise morality over the law anyway.
In the late 90's we tolerated the espousal of the personal belief in an extreme form of islam. Many marches we protected by the police. A busy road outside a mosque was shut every friday because they were banned from praying inside.

Those exact same people that marched went on to form Isis and we've got a problem in europe that's going to take a generation.

Our own anti facist movements seemed to leave them alone rather than confront them. Which is a shame.

People protested peacefully against going to war against Iraq, Hundreds of thousands marched without violence. The UK went to war anyway on what turned out to be a lie.

On the flip side, in the early 90's the government introduced an unpopular tax. We fucking rioted, we used violence and because we rioted that tax was removed.

In the mid 30's the black shirts tried to march through the east end of london. They had the right to march, they had police protection.
The people met this march with violence and drove them back.

When confronted with fascism violence is justified because the alternative is to legitimatise as a valid political viewpoint.

The point I am trying to make is sometimes you need to have a scrap to make sure complete arse hats get nowhere near achieving their political aims.
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This is a normal post Well, get ready for bombs at abortion clinics.
That's the reason we have the law: morality can differ depending on who's talking.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Thu 17 Aug 2017, 14:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Lawyers cost money, paving slabs are just lying around for free.

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