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# Of course some people don't require the bible to guide them.
But some people do and that's been my point all along. If it helps someone, then no-one should have the right to tell them they're wrong provided they aren't harming anyone?
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Mon 17 May 2010, 12:16, archived)
# People have the "right" to tell them, they just might not be right in doing so.
Free speech and all that.
(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Mon 17 May 2010, 12:18, archived)
# I'm not sure anyone was intentionally arguing against that
Where I feel people go wrong -- so to speak -- is by then elevating the Bible above, say, "Overcome Bad Self-Esteem" or, to use gronkpan's more pertinent example, Aesop's Fables. Even that doesn't actually matter, except the distressing tendency of *some* people who do so to go around telling everyone else how wrong they are and trying to influence not just our lives but the laws of our nations on the strength of their ancient life-guide. When it gets to the point that they'll want to murder me for suggesting that Jesus quite possibly didn't exist in the form we believe he did, or that Mohammed might have been power-mad, or that Abraham almost certainly didn't exist and Joseph was a myth based on a long-dead Jewish chamberlain in Egypt -- or, more farcically, that the world is older than 6,000 years, that's the problem.

And I believe you agree with me on that one...
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Mon 17 May 2010, 12:21, archived)
# I have no problem with that.
Having grown up in a religious household, gone to a religious school, and consequentially, most of my friends being religious, I can say that not one single one of them has ever preached or told people how to live their lives according to the bible. It's a choice that people make, barring the few who are truly indoctrinated, and they are few and far between in my experience.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Mon 17 May 2010, 12:26, archived)
# I've had a couple of friends who were like that
Perfectly decent people in all other respects (well, naturally; I'd not be friends with them otherwise) but trying to convert me and pushing the Bible as absolute proof -- or ducking the question of literalism -- when it arose. But far more of my friends who were religious didn't do it.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Mon 17 May 2010, 12:34, archived)
# There's nothing wrong when the message is "be a good person"
but that's not the whole story, it's often "women and gays are inferior" and "nonbelievers will go to hell"
(I helped save b3ta! emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 17 May 2010, 12:23, archived)