i guess it can be difficult for someone to accept if something they say, or write, is pointed out as being offensive, racist, whatever, especially if they weren't intending to be so. he may have just gone on the defensive.
i struggle with the term paki being racist as it is just a abbrieviation of pakistani. not that i use the term as it is deemed to be so.
is it contextual, or is it just a historical usage thing?
*being devil's advocate and just curious of other's opinions*
(i struggle with the term paki being racist as it is just a abbrieviation of pakistani. not that i use the term as it is deemed to be so.
is it contextual, or is it just a historical usage thing?
*being devil's advocate and just curious of other's opinions*
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:09,
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He seemed to dig his heels in and wave the 'ignorant and proud' card when challenged.
Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:25,
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fair enough, i didn't read it alli just had an interesting discussion with the wife (an expert in discourse theory (she likes to believe, though has a PhD which goes someway to back it up)) and I do understand why it is offensive. It's interesting how words can have such huge values attached to them, whether intended or not
( real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:35,
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Like 'queer', and to some extent 'nigga','paki' has been 'reclaimed' by some members of the sociological group to which the term has been traditionally directed.
But not every British Asian is aware of this 'reclamation', and just because some of the more radical young Asians are attempting to negate the power of the word by using it in a post-modern deconstructed way does not give licence to just anyone to continue to use it in a 'just a joke' way.
(But not every British Asian is aware of this 'reclamation', and just because some of the more radical young Asians are attempting to negate the power of the word by using it in a post-modern deconstructed way does not give licence to just anyone to continue to use it in a 'just a joke' way.
4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:44,
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i absolutely agree. especially with regards to using it in a "just in a joke" way.
interesting to see you wrote British Asian, i was looking earlier to see if paki was considered racist throughout the world, or whether it was particular to 70's Britain.
ididn't get far. i need a research assistant
(interesting to see you wrote British Asian, i was looking earlier to see if paki was considered racist throughout the world, or whether it was particular to 70's Britain.
ididn't get far. i need a research assistant
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:53,
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i should add that after further research i have concluded that paki is indeed racist and shall remain so.that's so gay!
*waits*
(*waits*
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:09,
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If i wasn't so drunk,and it didn't take me so long to successfully type a sentence, i would like to get into this.
I'm a middle class white male who has spent a significant part of their working life in an almost exclusively 2nd generation asian male working place.
Almost all of my clientelle were 2nd gen asian, my bosses were 2nd gen asian - since i was doing graphic design for the aforementioned clientelle, my target audience was 2nd/3rd gen asian.
I can confidently say, none of them would have laughed off some sarcastic internet twat casually using 'paki' as if it didn't really mean anything these days.
(I'm a middle class white male who has spent a significant part of their working life in an almost exclusively 2nd generation asian male working place.
Almost all of my clientelle were 2nd gen asian, my bosses were 2nd gen asian - since i was doing graphic design for the aforementioned clientelle, my target audience was 2nd/3rd gen asian.
I can confidently say, none of them would have laughed off some sarcastic internet twat casually using 'paki' as if it didn't really mean anything these days.
4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:14,
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that's ok, it takes me ages to write a sentence too, often unsuccesfully thoughbut that's because my writing is generally horrendous, drunk or otherwise
if i thought anyone would be the slightest bit interested, i'd suggest they re-read my posts over the course of an hour or so and see how they get ninja'd so they make more sense, or otherwise ;)
(if i thought anyone would be the slightest bit interested, i'd suggest they re-read my posts over the course of an hour or so and see how they get ninja'd so they make more sense, or otherwise ;)
real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy,
Sat 21 May 2011, 4:23,
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Like you two, i don't want to condemn the man,but in retrospect, I think tramp gave him more leeway than I did (and should have) to excuse himself.
Tramp made it clear that it was the the term 'paki' and not the general thrust of the joke that was problematic but he still wouldn't/couldn't see the problem.
If he was genuinely 'anti-racist' then it wouldn't have been such a problem for him imo
(Tramp made it clear that it was the the term 'paki' and not the general thrust of the joke that was problematic but he still wouldn't/couldn't see the problem.
If he was genuinely 'anti-racist' then it wouldn't have been such a problem for him imo
4Q just lurking,
Sat 21 May 2011, 3:33,
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