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# I don't know what that's suppose to mean
but if you look back over British punk history it started in Manchester not London with the likes of The Buzzcocks who Lydon himself said he'd rather see than Thin Lizzy. The Sex Pistols were a manufactured group anyhow - a vehicle of Mclaren and Westwood to make lots of money riding off the backs of the American New Wave groups like New York Dolls, Velvet Underground, and Blondie.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:27, archived)
# I never got into punk
as I had some homework to do at the time
(I helped save b3ta! groovegenerator The man who mistook his wife for his wife, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:29, archived)
# Er... No it didn't.
...Shelley and Devoto arranged The Pistols' first northern gig at the Lesser Free Trade Hall. True, The 'Cocks were around, as were The Stiff Kitens (Joy Division), but The Pistols were already up and running WAAAAAAY before Tony Wilson put them on Granada.

Oh, and as for being manufactured. They were about as manufactured as U2.
(the_hammerhead_tart -- In love with a strict machine, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:31, archived)
# So what if U2 were manufactured they never
rated in my books anyway. And if it wasn't for the Northern gigs The Sex Pistols would have gone off like a damp squib - but that doesn't mean punk would not have taken off anyway.

I suppose you're one of those who claim to have been at the very first Pistol gig too - every punk of a certain age claims to have been there.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:34, archived)
# Damp Squib?
No, of course I wasn't at The Lesser Free Trade Hall; hardly anyone was, but you've obviously seen the start of 24 Hour Party People or read Tony Wilson going on about that particular evening.

As for the idea that punk was a regional thing, you're being ridiculous. Oh, and you've forgotten The Bromley Contingent anyway (Banshees, Penetration, etc.)

And U2 were 4 schoolfriends from Dublin. Exactly how does that make them manufactured? Becasue they had a manager booking their gigs? Shit, everyone's manufactured in that case!

Please stop trying to have a pissing competition with me. I'll always win.
(the_hammerhead_tart -- In love with a strict machine, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:40, archived)
# It wasn't me who started the regionalist shit
you started by having a go at northern punks - the one thing I cannot stand is when the '76 crowd pull down everybody North of the Watford gap and claim to be the 'real' punks. I didn't fully get into punk unmtil I left school in 82 but does that mean I'm any less of a punk than you because you were in London in '76 - no fucking way
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:43, archived)
# Er...
Why do you just keep coming back to this sub-thread without reading the rest of it?

I suppose having nearly 700 pieces of regularly played punk vinyl is no degree of 'punkness' to you, is it?
(the_hammerhead_tart -- In love with a strict machine, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:47, archived)
# I never once questioned your level of 'punkness'
and instead of telling me off for not reading your edits trying reading what I wrote for once. The question here is that you are rating my level of punkness and the level of northern punks by some '76 club' standard and that is bullshit of the highest order
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:57, archived)
# No, madam...
...you're doing a good job of that all on your little own.
(the_hammerhead_tart -- In love with a strict machine, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 12:59, archived)
# Fuck off you demeaning twat
that is no argument and any childish cunt can play at those games.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Tue 20 Jan 2004, 13:04, archived)