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# are
you sure all goth is post punk? Hasn't it moved on a bit?
(haberman is singing in the changes, Wed 30 Nov 2005, 13:00, archived)
# Moved on
enough to go all the way round to being pre-punk?
(I helped save b3ta! Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Wed 30 Nov 2005, 13:38, archived)