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# yes
but those are things everyone could agree on even without religion, like the 10 commandements.
It's all about 'how can humans live happily with each other'.
(I helped save b3ta! pzyko Query failed., Thu 12 Apr 2007, 16:28, archived)
# ^This
even if there is no God/gods etc. Religions basically all contain very good rules on how to have a large bunch of people in one place coexisting tolerably.
(I helped save b3ta! Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 12 Apr 2007, 16:30, archived)
# which are basically built in to us through evolution
in the same way that dogs live in packs and gorillas take care of their environment in the wild.

But religion doesn't like people suggesting that nature invented their rules or that evolution ever happened.

I'd like religion if it wasn't so manipulative and self obsessed.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 12 Apr 2007, 16:34, archived)
# Sorry, but I don't agree with that (first) statement.
Most "built-in" features like egoism and envy (which can lead to murder etc) are only kept at bay by cultural education.
Our natural drives are always struggling with our conscience, and when the concience loses, bad things tend to happen.
(I helped save b3ta! pzyko Query failed., Thu 12 Apr 2007, 16:42, archived)