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# no. that
is wrong. that is the copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. it is wrong. probably.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:23, archived)
# but it is proved that at the quantumn level
the very act of observation changes that which is observed...
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:26, archived)
# indeed. but
that doesn't mean that what was observed didn't exist in the first place, merely that to observe something we have to hit it with couple of photons, which monkeys around with it. and that the world is a fucking weird place.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:30, archived)
# true
though the very definition of "place" depends on us defining it by being there...

;)
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:32, archived)
# i imagine
you're right :)

*runs off for more aspirin*
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:36, archived)
# .
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(I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:47, archived)
# Besides
the actions we are interested in are at the macro level, not quantum, so it doesn't matter anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! heyrudi has just found this setting, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:39, archived)