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# so if a kelly pic goes up..
am i dead?
(I helped save b3ta! Flamebunny i only have eyes for ewe, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:14, archived)
# silly chicken
(I helped save b3ta! mnb098mnb used to be here, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:15, archived)
# SO
yes. :)
(I helped save b3ta! Dr Phil Kitten, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:15, archived)
# if a tree
falls and no one hears it, does it make a sound?
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:15, archived)
# What noise
does one hand clapping make? Eh? Eh?
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:17, archived)
# cl
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:19, archived)
# or ap
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:19, archived)
# depends if its the left or right hand
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:19, archived)
# Its a bit like this
*cla cla cla*
(I helped save b3ta! gurningchimp, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:25, archived)
# yes
its causes vibrations in the ear, which athough may not be clearly audable, the effect of the movie particles has an effect on all the particles in the world, so eventualy someone must hear something resulting from the collapsing tree
(I helped save b3ta! SuperMatt, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:17, archived)
# i don't
think that's true though is it?
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:19, archived)
# Possibly..
but the bottom line is it is arrogant of humans to believe that just because none of us are there to witness it, stuff doesn't happen.

I reckon!
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:20, archived)
# but the universe only exists in its current form because of the
conciousness within it.

Until an act is observed, the waveform hasn't collapsed, so everything is held in potentia...
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:22, archived)
# no. that
is wrong. that is the copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. it is wrong. probably.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:23, archived)
# but it is proved that at the quantumn level
the very act of observation changes that which is observed...
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:26, archived)
# indeed. but
that doesn't mean that what was observed didn't exist in the first place, merely that to observe something we have to hit it with couple of photons, which monkeys around with it. and that the world is a fucking weird place.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:30, archived)
# true
though the very definition of "place" depends on us defining it by being there...

;)
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:32, archived)
# i imagine
you're right :)

*runs off for more aspirin*
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:36, archived)
# .
.
(I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:47, archived)
# Besides
the actions we are interested in are at the macro level, not quantum, so it doesn't matter anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! heyrudi has just found this setting, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:39, archived)
# But
you say that from the perspective of a sentient lifeform. We percieve the world via our senses, but that doesn't mean that's how the world is..?
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:24, archived)
# no. the
wave function is a mathematical way of expressing something we don't really understand. the collapsing of it is our way of describing an observation being made. it almost certainly doesn't happen like that.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:26, archived)
# Blimey
this is all a bit deep for b3ta.
(I helped save b3ta! wayward., Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:38, archived)
# haven't you been watching Life of Mammals?
there are loads of animals you can hear movement in the air that's utterly inaudible to humans.

I'm one of them.
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:23, archived)
# So what noise
do you make?
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:26, archived)
# wibble
(I helped save b3ta! butchbint, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:28, archived)
# I like the idea of
"movie particles" ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Mornington Crescent Come the Envolution ..., Thu 23 Jan 2003, 13:07, archived)
# Yes
a loud crash like a stack of plates falling over followed by the comedy sound of one unsmashed plate rolling round in ever decreasing circles.
(I helped save b3ta! Ijon Tichy, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:18, archived)
# if a tree falls in the forest
and no one is around to hear...
do the other trees point and laugh?
(mountainloz i want a bulldog/Shih Tzu cross breed, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:19, archived)
# if you post something funny
and no one replies, has anyone read it? :)
(mountainloz i want a bulldog/Shih Tzu cross breed, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:43, archived)
# If it hits a mime
does anyone actually care?
(I helped save b3ta! LP, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:22, archived)
# If a man says something
and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong?
(I helped save b3ta! robh, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:35, archived)
# nah
we'll just shun you
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:16, archived)
# kelly who?
(I helped save b3ta! gurningchimp, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:17, archived)
# Only from..
..the neck up.
(I helped save b3ta! sick_boy, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:18, archived)
# R or Matthew?

Or Woody's bird from Cheers, or the Irish presenter of Going For Gold, or the daughter from Married With Children, or ...
(I helped save b3ta! gfreeman is only here for the beer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:22, archived)