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I don't disagree.

I think you fail to see my point. Yes he was a manipulator, yes he understood what needed to be said in order to elevate himself but at the end of the day his audience were already pliable and beaten. He was the one that took the opportunity, all I'm saying is he was not special, he was just the one that took the chance. He was undoubtedly the wrong person no matter how much he believed in his country. He was never going to lead his country to better things due to his mental state. He'd have lasted longer staying only in the political arena but a man who is mentally unstable, narcissistic and borderline schizophrenic is always going to fuck it up. Stick Parkinson's and syphilis on top of that in later years means he was as potty as your great aunt fanny.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 5 May 2007, 21:36, archived)

i was only really disagreeing about an aspect the orating/manipulating bit

i agree he was unstable and probably prone to balls it up at some point once in power.

but in terms of the populace being beaten already, they were surely then receptive to ideas that lots of people tried to sway them on, not just his, yet he was the one who won their support. there was probably a bit of luck there, yes, and it needed a desperate population in the first place to countenance such 'out there' ideas, but i think he was more successful in taking advantage of people than almost anyone else would have been in the same situation

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plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Sat 5 May 2007, 21:46, archived)

That's what

narcissism will do to a man though. he was the one that did it not because he was brilliant but because he was fundamentally wired to believe in his own god complex.

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Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 5 May 2007, 22:01, archived)