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Tom OBedlam I have control of a tank,
Thu 26 Jun 2008, 0:10,
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talking to a christian about deathI recalled from my youth the biblical story and was trying to recall the name.
took an interesting sidestreet;
...Interestingly I came across a scripture discussion that ‘Of all who have lived in the flesh, Christ "only hath immortality" ( I Timothy 6:16). This translates that both Enoch and Elijah are like all other men. Both are dead and awaiting the resurrection at the second advent of Christ.
So to teach that when we die we go to heaven is not factually correct according to the scriptures, but rather It is the simplest thing in the world to show where the dead are at the present (both the righteous dead and the unrighteous dead) if one wants to rely solely on the teachings of the Holy Scriptures. They are presently in their graves (thoroughly unconscious in every way) and they are awaiting the resurrection from the dead (see Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalm 6:5; 146:4; John 3:13). The inspired revelation as to the state of the dead shows that they "sleep in the dust of the earth" (Daniel 12:2) and that none of them will "awake" from his or her death state until after the great tribulation at the end of the age (Daniel 12:1,2). For those who are "in Christ," they will be resurrected back to life when Christ Jesus returns with his saints (the angels) at his second advent (I Corinthians 15:50-55; I Thessalonians 4:15-16). This is called "the first resurrection" (Revelation 20:5), and it is the plain teaching of Scripture. It solves so many problems to understand it.
If you would like to share this with you bible study group and/or pastor I would be very interested in hearing their view on the subject.
I'm just rattling her cage, but am interested.
(took an interesting sidestreet;
...Interestingly I came across a scripture discussion that ‘Of all who have lived in the flesh, Christ "only hath immortality" ( I Timothy 6:16). This translates that both Enoch and Elijah are like all other men. Both are dead and awaiting the resurrection at the second advent of Christ.
So to teach that when we die we go to heaven is not factually correct according to the scriptures, but rather It is the simplest thing in the world to show where the dead are at the present (both the righteous dead and the unrighteous dead) if one wants to rely solely on the teachings of the Holy Scriptures. They are presently in their graves (thoroughly unconscious in every way) and they are awaiting the resurrection from the dead (see Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalm 6:5; 146:4; John 3:13). The inspired revelation as to the state of the dead shows that they "sleep in the dust of the earth" (Daniel 12:2) and that none of them will "awake" from his or her death state until after the great tribulation at the end of the age (Daniel 12:1,2). For those who are "in Christ," they will be resurrected back to life when Christ Jesus returns with his saints (the angels) at his second advent (I Corinthians 15:50-55; I Thessalonians 4:15-16). This is called "the first resurrection" (Revelation 20:5), and it is the plain teaching of Scripture. It solves so many problems to understand it.
If you would like to share this with you bible study group and/or pastor I would be very interested in hearing their view on the subject.
I'm just rattling her cage, but am interested.
M3Essential and The Essentials. LIVE!,
Thu 26 Jun 2008, 0:27,
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