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# If by TOAST you mean TOAP
Then we're not generally a massive fan of those either, but at least it does actually change the base image. Optimising doesn't make any difference to the original work.

The eyes are lovely - but we have to ask, did you do them?
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 16:54, archived)
# Well, no
They're the eyes of actress Aishwarya Rai, and she's not my daughter.

Nor did I take the Original picture that I used.

In fact, that picture could well be copyright.

I understand what you mean about 'originality', but it's a pretty damn fine line, don't you think?

I suppose most folk will be happy with the eyes, but not the box. Strange morals.
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:05, archived)
# Unshopped
And I notice there's 2 unshopped pics of fish on this page, that seem satisfactory?
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:08, archived)
# But what did you do to 'artify' them?
The eyes aren't so much of a problem - you've got to get a source from somewhere! I think the fact that all you did to the box was change the filesize (I know there's more to it than that, but essentially that's it) is what's annoyed people. If you'd posted to the links board saying 'look at the cool box thing I found', nobody would have batted an eyelid. (actually, they might have kicked up an enormous stink, I've no idea, I don't frequent links)

Agreed it's a fine line, and please don't think we're picking on you or anything, just trying to explain why box thing = bad, eyes = good :)
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:15, archived)
# I don't see any logical difference
...between the work I did on the eyes, and the work I did on the box
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:21, archived)
# What did you do then?
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:23, archived)
# I used paintshop
applied some filters, cropped bits out, made layers, re-coloured them, applied effects - that sort of thing.

Whereas, on the box, I converted the filetype, removed every other frame, resized the frames, ran a couple of optimization processes - that sort of thing.

(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:28, archived)
# Ok, fair do's
Let me start by saying I know absolutely bugger all about animation, but...

With the eyes, you've done arty type things to change the overall look of the image. With the box, you've not actually changed what the original file did: yes it may have fewer frames and be smaller, but the hour you put into it is probably nothing compared to how long it took the original author to have the idea and execute it.
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:35, archived)
# Eyes above was inside an existing thread (but from what you said it would have been OK as a new thread)
If the box had been inside a thread , it would be OK especially as you aknowledged it wasn't your own
But there was insufficent of your own creative input to warrant it starting a new thread
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:46, archived)
# Knew someone else would be able to put it better
And more succinctly
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:48, archived)
# Aha!
That's a different matter entirely - thanks for that. I hope that's the fact, because the other reasons seem completely daft to me.

(Sorry Mrs Trellis, not meaning to offend - but if you look at the logic; think of the team of people and effort that went into creating the photo I used - whereas the box is a geometric shape that anyone can calculate; it's not significantly different from drawing a circle.

And..well, lots of other stuff, but I guess we have to agree to disagree.

It all depends what you call art.



Oh - I suppose I could bung my box back in somewhere then? But I'd rather put it in a thread nearer the top or something...but will that incur further wrath?
(, Fri 4 Jul 2008, 17:59, archived)