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# 'who are, for the most part, in puberty or beyond.'

for the most part!
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:15, archived)
# actually, i should not have said that.
the 14 year old he allegedly had sex with was years ago, and he was acquitted of all charges. the childporn conviction reported no ages regarding his 'victims'.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:19, archived)
# Well he has obviously done nothing wrong then...
Lets release him, in fact I want him to babysit my child.
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:35, archived)
# you do realise what 'acquitted' means, right?
whether you let him babysit is your business - i only have issue with screeching to the media in a panic about a 'crime' that involves pictures (or drawings, for crying out loud) of people. has he harmed a person?
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:43, archived)
# see the story about the bloke being done
for writing a story about killing girls aloud and dismembering their corpses?
(coobeastie Used to Be in Evil Gazebo, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:45, archived)
# i see stories like that far too often.
right now i'm committing a thoughtcrime. quick, pointless camel, phone a policeman/priest!
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:48, archived)
# Why the fuck does how often you see them have anything to do with it?
You seem to be a very confused person, and defend your morally weak argument by judging me. Look i can do it too postbear! Are you a Sun reader, did your starsign tell you to condone child porn?
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:56, archived)
# morally weak?
you're claiming that owning a picture ought to be a crime. please grow up.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:59, archived)
# i think what he means is the way the picture was put into existance.
children being tortured and forced into fuck pics.

other than this i have agreed with all your points.
(I helped save b3ta! d d, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:01, archived)
# i asked him/her about that twice already, with no reply.
that's one example of child porn. it could be a drawing, or a photoshop or a kid in the bath pic - we don't know, but they're all childporn in certain eyes.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:03, archived)
# i think a drawing or photoshop isn't so bad myself.
as long as no one is harmed i don't care what they do.
(I helped save b3ta! d d, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:09, archived)
# so if you found 4000 drawings/pics whatever of naked kids
on a friends computer, you woudln't think twice.
He must just like downloading stuff...
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:12, archived)
# i have about 250 000 pics of people on disc.
many are nudes, some of them are children. some are of people i know, and some are of strangers. i also have about 100 000 pics of plants and landscapes. should the tabloids be scaring people that i'm about to come to their yards and fuck their trees?
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:23, archived)
# I never said that,
I'm saying that owning '4000' pictures of child pornography is worth investigation. What the shit does 'grow up' mean anyway, really? We are not in a school playground.
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:06, archived)
# grow up means just that - grow up.
you made a lame joke and i made an absurd wish in response. when asked about it by another poster, i replied, explaining my dissatisfaction with a public witch hunt. knowing exactly NOTHING about the actual ages of his victims, you've proceded to take the stance of a deeply offended person for no perceptible reason.

further, you've carefully avoided questions about the nature of the pics that he had, when that is entirely pertinent to the fact of whether or not he's any sort of sex criminal in ACT and not merely FANTASY.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:16, archived)
# Well thanks for clearing that up, we can all go and 'grow up'......?
Here are your pertinent facts that I have not 'carefully' avoided:
1999 Glitter arrested with 4000 pics of child pornography (with definition, as it looks like you need to have it spelt out for you.)

Again: In late 2005, Gary Glitter was arrested and charged with molesting two under-aged girls, aged 10 and 11.

Sounds to me like you are the one living in a fantasy world.

edit: more info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Glitter
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:24, archived)
# oh good grief.
arrested, charged and not prosecuted = innocent, not guilty. got it?

and a wikipedia definition has no meaning under the law of any country - the laws vary, too, from place to place and over time. what is legal where you are may be illegal here, and vice versa. to add hilarity to this, the very first sentence of the wiki article begins "Child pornography refers to material depicting children being in a state of undress..." which only supports my question - what is the nature of the pics he had? Were they just naked pics or drawings or silly-ass photoshops, or were they actually porn pics featuring underage kids?

we don't know! further, in my mind (and in the minds of many people, some of whom are posting here and some of whom are on the forefront of this legal issue), possessing pictures of illicit acts should not necessarily be a crime.

please don't try people by their wikipedia articles. it's just not... sane.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:34, archived)
# OH SHIT
 
I COULD BE IN SOME SERIOUS TROUBLE HERE
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 5:28, archived)
# So your are essentially saying it is OK to look at child porn?!
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:47, archived)
# i don't care what porn people look at.
are you saying it should be illegal to look at a drawing of a child or a nude baby pic? or only illegal if it gets you sexually excited?
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 3:50, archived)
# I think the idea is that pornography with children in is illegal to own, as it funds/endorses the creation and systematic sexual abuse of children.
That seems fairly logical to me, in the same way snuff porn and such would be illegal.

Though they do seem fairly content in pushing through with this stupid new law which would essentially cover everything from those ridiculous pictures they did in Brass Eye, to lolicon type hentai.
(Jeru War and Piss, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:02, archived)
# i can think of about two thousand pics i've seen on b3ta that would be covered, too.
we're in a place where it's not easy to draw a line, and, unfortunately, the people eager to draw that line tend to be people i don't want making any decisions for me.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:06, archived)
# I fail to see the difference between manipulated and drawn images, and using your own imagination.
Other than the fact that it's a tangiable thing, but ultimately it's still the same old thought policeism.
(Jeru War and Piss, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:09, archived)
# exactly. crimes are things we do, not things we think about.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:18, archived)
# I can see what you are getting at but I'm talking more about the specifics of Glitters case...
"Glitter was arrested and charged with molesting two under-aged girls, aged 10 and 11."
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:10, archived)
# prosecutors dropped the charges due to lack of evidence.
so, he had some 'porn', the nature of which is unknown to us.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:20, archived)
# postbear is talking about kiddy porn and pointlesscamel is talking about molestation. these are two different subjects.
(I helped save b3ta! d d, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:33, archived)
# i'm talking with my mouth and p.c. is using... another orifice.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 4:46, archived)
# Personal insults again...yawn.
Way to go postbear! Now go back and re-think your position on the whole awful subject.
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Tue 2 Sep 2008, 15:21, archived)