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# This is a frightening, horrible world.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 17:28, archived)
# I know from experience that I have been considered a fair employer
I pay honest wages for honest work and I pass on bonus' when they apply. I just don't allow people to take the piss. If you are not able to comply with the terms of your contract then it is the fault of the employee who should have not entered into it. I don't throw surprises in and ask people to do things beyond what I initially ask and if I do then I'm quite happy to renegotiate terms.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 17:35, archived)
# *reads contract in its entirety*
*realises that absolutely everyone who has ever signed one is absolutely fucked and is basically depending on some cunt to be in a good mood*

Aw, mate! Come on! I think you're being a tad stern here.

This is a discussion worth having, though, if you're up for it.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 17:42, archived)
# I've been in the building trade for years
and the way things work for me are always going to be different and at odds for someone working as a terminal jockey in a large office environment.
I have a contract. I have a schedule and I have penalty clauses for slippage. Any skilled work I am not doing myself with the team I've generally worked with for many years I sub out to a contractor and I pass on those penalty clauses to him as is general practise and let him worry about his workforce and their output.
I agree totally that a happy workforce is productive and that there should be incentives. End of day is never fixed and I'm happy for 3-4pm finishes as long as we are on schedule. We usually go to the pub and I'll buy drinks. On a Friday as long as there are no unforeseen circumstances ( like deliveries promised for 7am that turn up at 3pm ) then we finish at 2pm and go to the pub where I will stand all drinks again. These are the kind of incentives the builder appreciates.
If we can do a week's work in 4 days then I'm happy for us not to work the 5th day if it is workable but in my line of work there can be no 'take it easy today and we'll catch up' because that costs me money and we can be talking a lot of money.
I just expect people to do their job. I've sacked a lot of people but generally because they try to take me for a ride and I won't have it.
I used to allow employees to take the firm's vans home and use them for personal use ( when I had a few vans ) until the insurance put a stop to that.
I'm very fair and hardly as stern as I'm making you think here but at the end of the day if I don't make money because people are not taking responsibility for the jobs they have then they have to realise I must take action to rectify that or people don't get paid.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 17:57, archived)
# Very good of you to take the time and make the effort to produce such a good and considered response. Thank you.
Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes in a way. It sounds to me, from what you just wrote, that you are indeed a fair employer who, understandably, can do without pisstakers.

But I think many of us have been/are/will be the victim of pisstaking employers.

I think the majority of employers, unfortunately, are taking the piss. And not slightly taking the piss. Landlords, too. A little bit of power, an income stream... it seems to turn simple folk into little Hitlers, alarmingly quickly.

I'd like to beg all employers, everywhere, to remember that 'employees' are people. People. Just like you, me, him, her...

And all our necks are made of soft, fragile flesh.

Even the tin man!
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 18:20, archived)
# I agree with this wholeheartedly
I work for First (the Bus and Rail company) They ahve sacked my Husband at Christmas for having health problems that do not limit his ability to drive a bus, but incapacitated him from working during the healing process after a major operation on his pancreas. I too on the 30th of Dec am to face a discipline for Unacceptable Attendance - I've had just 6 days off work due to Colds, Flus and stomach problems - I have had to look after James (hubby) whilst he's been off work and look after the house whilst maintaining my job - how fair is all of that?

Well fuck First - My husband and I come First, not them!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 18:28, archived)
# I really hope things get better for youse, and quickly.
Here, I've been re-learning over the last few days that family is vital vital vital.
And quite important.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 18:39, archived)
# Yes family is very important
unfortunately Bosses like First know they have you over a barrel - With James not working I'm the bread-winner and I can't afford to jump ships to another job especially with the economy etc. I fully understand the "work ethic" but not when employers are using it as stick to beat down the workers - workers in Britian aren't lazy, we are pressurised, we are overworked, we are sick and tired and underpaid as well as under-respected for the work that we do. So is it any wonder you get a few who say "fuck it!" and ride the system after all aren't we all a little tired of being rode by the system and the bosses!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 18:46, archived)
# You know this already,
but standing by one another is the best, most important thing people can do.

It's not always fun (though it can be!) but it is important. You and Mr maiden'll be OK. You're not alone. There are millions of hearts out there. And they're not all in the ribcages of property developers.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 19:12, archived)
# Troo - we still have a lot to be thankful for.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 19:26, archived)
# Well, that sounds fair.
I did get the idea that it would be some sort of industry like that, and as you say, it's a different place to the office.
Not only that, our work have us three ways over a barrel, so we don't feel too bad about wasting a bit of time here and there as they have us on 50-75% contracts, but will let us go if we don't work 100%. None of us have the cash to take it to court and I don't have another job lined up to go to. So f*** 'em. Sideways.
On another note, I was trawling b3ta and the Mrs later shut the computer down wit the b3ta tab still open. At work, when I started t'internet, up came the tab - just as well it was pretty innoucuous that post...
So I think there's something to be said for keeping to the rule.
(I helped save b3ta! Colonel Boris "...a desperate Buzzfeed imitation...", Sat 27 Dec 2008, 18:24, archived)
# Yay! WORDS!
(I apologise to main board b3tans for deliberately provoking WORDS, but some of us happen to like 'em. Every so often.)
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 18:34, archived)
# Words are good
nothing wrong here
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Sat 27 Dec 2008, 18:37, archived)