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# well the guy admitted it naively without a lawyer.
what I mean is, it was not a serious professional hack. The security was woeful and the guy probably couldn't even believe how easy it was to get in. what I mean is, if you go up to someone's house, try the door handle, and it's unlocked, you are wrong to enter, but it's not breaking and entering if you do.
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:27, archived)
# Actually it is, amusingly enough.
If the door isn't closed, though, it isn't.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:29, archived)
# As I said below, no, it isn't breaking and entering.
However, it is still trespassing, which is a crime.

And if the door is open and you go in and rob the house, insurance payout or not, if you are caught you will still be charged and convicted of theft.

You can try and moralise it as much as you like, it is still a criminal act.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:30, archived)
# again I'm not saying he wasnt wrong
but you shouldn't get convicted of theft if you don't fucking steal anything...
(gtfomh, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:34, archived)
# No, of course you shouldn't.
However, he isn't being charged with theft is he. I am just trying to draw a parallel.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:39, archived)
# illegal and legal
doesn't always equate wrong and right.
(Peter_G, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:35, archived)
# It doesn't even always equate to illegal and legal, either
if we're talking about different countries.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:38, archived)
# Maybe not.
However, illegal does equate with against the law. And if you are going to commit a crime, you can't complain about being punished for breaking that law.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 14:56, archived)
# Well, yes you can.
You can in fact complain about it. Say your crime is producing modern art in nazi Germany, and you get put in prison for it, complaining is entirely reasonable. I guess you mean you're silly not to expect to be punished, rather than that you shouldn't complain about being punished.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 31 Jul 2009, 15:07, archived)