.Firstly, illegal immigrants are unable to register for benefits, seeing as you are required to present proof of british citizenship when you claim. Secondly, as someone else pointed out, the concept of an 'indigenous' white Briton is a myth, you just need to look at our language and place names to see that. Do you like beef? French. Sunday? Viking/Norse. Place names ending in -chester? Roman. Morris Dancing? Turkish, via Islamic Spain. Thirdly, the BNP frequently invent fictions to justify their racism - note the recent 'murders-that-weren't'.
I understand people's disillusionment with the political establishment and it's failiure to act upon the public's concerns upon the scale of immigration - but a party who's raison d'etre is a bigoted lie and who campaign by pandering to peoples basest fears and errecting scapegoats are not the kind of people to be trusted either.
P.S. Nice work on the FP! :)
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Sat 24 Oct 2009, 23:24,
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I understand people's disillusionment with the political establishment and it's failiure to act upon the public's concerns upon the scale of immigration - but a party who's raison d'etre is a bigoted lie and who campaign by pandering to peoples basest fears and errecting scapegoats are not the kind of people to be trusted either.
P.S. Nice work on the FP! :)
Ok fair point - illegal immigrants may not be entitled to benefits but they make their money one way or the other - probably through flogging their food vouchers and working illegally. I think this site is obviously popular with the student types who like to think they are politically correct by defending immigrants. The vast majority of the crowd who were protesting at the BBC seemed comprised of the workshy student fraternity - doing their student bit. Pathetic. So what if Great Britain invaded other countries - at least we improved them. What good are the scum who are flooding into this country?
More and more mosques are appearing in this country now - would islamic countries allow churches to be built in their country? Hell no - it would be burnt to the ground. There are large parts of cities in this country that are now totally muslim - places where white british people refuse to go for fear of being attacked simply because they are not muslim. Muslims aren't interested in intergration - they want to force non-muslims to islam - any fool can see what is happening all around the world now - it's not just here and there, it's everywhere where there are muslims. We've now got muslims in this country screaming for sharia law and in certain courts they are even covertly allowing it - we've got schools secretly feeding children halal meat at the demand of the muslim parents (the schools didn't bother asking the non-muslim children's parents whether they wanted their kids to eat halal meat though)
Now you can call me paranoid,loony racist whatever - mark my words there will be serious problems in this country very soon if nothing is done to check the level of illegal immigrants and bogus claims for student visas and asylum - this is an island ffs, there is only a finite amount of space.
I wish there was an alternative to the BNP but politicians are terrified of appearing racist if they so much as raise the issue of illegal immigration.
I see it day in and day out where I work - non-whites taking the piss out of the system. They are prolific liars, provide false information and pay for nothing. And if they are cornered they scream racial abuse or 'you're only doing this because I'm black'
I'm sick of white britsh people getting the shaft by their own government in favour of foreigners who have contributed squat to this country.
End of racist rant.
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More and more mosques are appearing in this country now - would islamic countries allow churches to be built in their country? Hell no - it would be burnt to the ground. There are large parts of cities in this country that are now totally muslim - places where white british people refuse to go for fear of being attacked simply because they are not muslim. Muslims aren't interested in intergration - they want to force non-muslims to islam - any fool can see what is happening all around the world now - it's not just here and there, it's everywhere where there are muslims. We've now got muslims in this country screaming for sharia law and in certain courts they are even covertly allowing it - we've got schools secretly feeding children halal meat at the demand of the muslim parents (the schools didn't bother asking the non-muslim children's parents whether they wanted their kids to eat halal meat though)
Now you can call me paranoid,loony racist whatever - mark my words there will be serious problems in this country very soon if nothing is done to check the level of illegal immigrants and bogus claims for student visas and asylum - this is an island ffs, there is only a finite amount of space.
I wish there was an alternative to the BNP but politicians are terrified of appearing racist if they so much as raise the issue of illegal immigration.
I see it day in and day out where I work - non-whites taking the piss out of the system. They are prolific liars, provide false information and pay for nothing. And if they are cornered they scream racial abuse or 'you're only doing this because I'm black'
I'm sick of white britsh people getting the shaft by their own government in favour of foreigners who have contributed squat to this country.
End of racist rant.
Overpopulation is as much caused by people having too many children as from immigration. Why not get as angry with couples who have more than 2 kids?
Overpopulation (global, rather than local) is a serious future concern, the colour of the future population really should not be.
The fact that you say "non-whites" rather than immigrants, suggests that your argument *is* based upon pure racism. There are presumably far more white British people ripping off the benefits system, so why do you focus all the blame on any immigrants who do that (and suggest they ALL do which is a racist generalisation).
I get the impression that you refer to all muslims as "illegal immigrants" whether they are or not. (And having met people with similar opinions to you before, probably refer to all asian people as muslim whether they are or not)
"So what if Great Britain invaded other countries - at least we improved them." - please qualify what you mean by "improved". You mean like the genocide of the Tasmanian Aboriginies?
(Overpopulation (global, rather than local) is a serious future concern, the colour of the future population really should not be.
The fact that you say "non-whites" rather than immigrants, suggests that your argument *is* based upon pure racism. There are presumably far more white British people ripping off the benefits system, so why do you focus all the blame on any immigrants who do that (and suggest they ALL do which is a racist generalisation).
I get the impression that you refer to all muslims as "illegal immigrants" whether they are or not. (And having met people with similar opinions to you before, probably refer to all asian people as muslim whether they are or not)
"So what if Great Britain invaded other countries - at least we improved them." - please qualify what you mean by "improved". You mean like the genocide of the Tasmanian Aboriginies?
monkeon schmonkeon,
Sun 25 Oct 2009, 12:08,
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Well, I would hardly call the 118 Tasmanian Aborigines that were directly killed by the British a genocide...
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Sun 25 Oct 2009, 12:27,
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The British were ultimately(deliberately or not) responsible for the end of their genetic line. What would you call it? And, that's beside the point - my question was how did we improve these countries?
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Sun 25 Oct 2009, 12:37,
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"There are large parts of cities in this country that are now totally muslim - places where white british people refuse to go for fear of being attacked simply because they are not muslim." - Google Maps link please
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Sun 25 Oct 2009, 12:26,
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six of one, half dozen of the otherbeing Asian doesn't exclude you from being a racist, or a thug -
www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/politics/oldham1.shtml
I would imagine they have the same proportion of knuckle-draggers as any other ethnic grouping, our lot included.
Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too,
Wed 28 Oct 2009, 1:59,
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I think that often things like that are more down to poverty than race.Certainly when I lived in Bradford, the "no go asian areas" you'd be told of had basically the same quality of life as the "no go areas" in other places where race wasn't mentioned because they were predominantly white. Usually places where you can understand people being frustrated by the bad hand they have, and thus may express this frustration with violence.
Likewise, is the attitude of those gangs (asian and white) all that different to football hooligans who choose who to attack by what team they support? It looks like people who are seeking out violence for the sake of violence and have chosen a 'team' by a random thing that separates them.
When it comes down to race, sadly it's going to be a case of violence breeding violence since the violence of the other side is going to create the "proof" that the two can't live side by side which, unquestioned, will make it ingrained.
It seems quite ironic that white racists and asian racists don't realise that they have more in common with each other than with the group they choose to assign themselves with.
(Likewise, is the attitude of those gangs (asian and white) all that different to football hooligans who choose who to attack by what team they support? It looks like people who are seeking out violence for the sake of violence and have chosen a 'team' by a random thing that separates them.
When it comes down to race, sadly it's going to be a case of violence breeding violence since the violence of the other side is going to create the "proof" that the two can't live side by side which, unquestioned, will make it ingrained.
It seems quite ironic that white racists and asian racists don't realise that they have more in common with each other than with the group they choose to assign themselves with.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Wed 28 Oct 2009, 13:29,
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IndeedPeople are quite reliable in this regard. If there's a problem, blame other groups, in descending order of difference from yourself - and pray the problem miraculously disappears before you're left on your own, having to take a long, hard look inside...
But, on the plus side, any species which can invent cheesecake cannot be all bad.
(But, on the plus side, any species which can invent cheesecake cannot be all bad.
Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too,
Thu 29 Oct 2009, 0:24,
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It's cool to be PC to defend immigrants?No, I just dislike people being liberal with the truth to justify their bigotry. Unless you can provide a source to independent, rigorous research or jounalism to back up each and every one of your claims - you ARE being paranoid. For example, do you actually know how many local authority (social) housing tennants are immigrants? I'll help you out - it's only 1.8% of the total, i.e. 98.2% of social housing is allocated to British Citizens. [ECHR, July 2009]
Also, regarding 'workshy' students. When I was at uni, I frequently worked over 100 hours a week, occasionaly found the time for part-time jobs, ran a sports club for the SU, and when I felt passionate about something political I would get involved. Pretty fucking full on actually, and most of my friends were similarly hard-working. Although I disagree with the censorship that UAF proposed on thursday, political demonstrations like that are to be celebrated - because these are young people who are interested in their country and how it is run. And that is NOT pathetic.
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Sun 25 Oct 2009, 15:00,
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Also, regarding 'workshy' students. When I was at uni, I frequently worked over 100 hours a week, occasionaly found the time for part-time jobs, ran a sports club for the SU, and when I felt passionate about something political I would get involved. Pretty fucking full on actually, and most of my friends were similarly hard-working. Although I disagree with the censorship that UAF proposed on thursday, political demonstrations like that are to be celebrated - because these are young people who are interested in their country and how it is run. And that is NOT pathetic.
a matter of colour?not so much -
www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/03/19/x-factor-emma-chawner-s-83st-family-s-too-fat-to-work-and-too-busy-watching-tv-to-diet-115875-21209579/
(sorry, it's the Mirror - first result google gave me)
Compare these slobs to an immigrant (gasp!) who happens to work all the hours god sends in our national health service. I met a few last time I was in hospital. Couple of Africans, and a malasian, as I recall - all of them lovely people, all working more hours than I do.
(www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/03/19/x-factor-emma-chawner-s-83st-family-s-too-fat-to-work-and-too-busy-watching-tv-to-diet-115875-21209579/
(sorry, it's the Mirror - first result google gave me)
Compare these slobs to an immigrant (gasp!) who happens to work all the hours god sends in our national health service. I met a few last time I was in hospital. Couple of Africans, and a malasian, as I recall - all of them lovely people, all working more hours than I do.
Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too,
Mon 26 Oct 2009, 23:01,
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Without getting too drawn into all of this....One would measure the indigenuity/indigenousness/indignancy (fuck knows, can't be bothered to check) of the a population via their DNA - not their habits, customs, and language.
Oddly enough, studies have in fact been done to this end - and found that successive waves of immigrants (Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, and so on) have made far less of a dent in the original 'British' gene-pool than anyone had expected.
I'm not making any sort of political point, it just struck me as interesting...
Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too,
Mon 26 Oct 2009, 22:31,
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