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# The upsetting thing about freedom of speech
is that it allows people to express different points of view.

Either you want freedom of speech, or you don't.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:09, archived)
# no, its not as black and white as that. I'm all for freedom of speech
but when it crosses the line into inciting racial hatred (which is illegal) i think the law should step in.
(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:19, archived)
# Don't get me wrong - I totally agree.
I think people who's point of view I don't agree with should be shut down as well.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:28, archived)
# You can't have...
...a right without a responsibility for how you exercise that right.

But that's what people want!
(SpangleDangle >->)))'>, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:36, archived)
# I don't see how exercising one's right to express one's opinion is irresponsible.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:37, archived)
# well it depends on what that opinion is
if it's "i think we should raise interest rates" then that's fair enough, if it's "i think we should find a shop owned by a jewish person and burn it down with his whole family inside" then i reckon that's pretty irresponsible.
(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:43, archived)
# IE - what you deem to be the incorrect/wrong opinion to hold.
Sounds like fascism to me.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:44, archived)
# Not so much
Benito's example is straightforwardly incitement to violence. And would have been illegal even before PC laws on incitement to hatred.

I think the dividing line between free speech and criminal speech is simply that you can say what you like, unless what you want to say is that any physical or psychological harm should come to anyone you disagree with.

"Jeremy Clarkson is a clunt" is fine.
"Jeremy Clarskon is a clunt and deserves to die" is fine.
"Jeremy Clarkson is a clunt and deserves to die and someone should do something about it" is incitement to violence and worthy of imprisonment.
(I helped save b3ta! shinyshinyscalp less a man, more a way of life, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:53, archived)
# All of those could cause physical or psychological harm.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:56, archived)
# im unsure whether you are disagreeing with me that burning a shop full of jewish people down is wrong.
Please clarify.
(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:10, archived)
# No.
It's about whether or not you agree people should be allowed to express their opinions - whether or not you agree with them.

Because it seems to me that you only want those who's opinions you approve of to be allowed the right to express them.

That is exactly - EXACTLY - what fascism did.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:16, archived)
# so is your image above a swipe at the
anti-fascism movement in general or just at their view that the fascists should be denied a platform?
(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:50, archived)
# "Anti" fascists are just fascists in different clothes.
Hence - "burying irony in the name of righteousness".
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 14:13, archived)
# What about the people who are anti-fascist
who also think that fascists should be given a platform?
(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 14:22, archived)