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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 11:36,
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if people are abusing freedom of speech by encouraging others to hate and kill people
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:02,
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is that it allows people to express different points of view.
Either you want freedom of speech, or you don't.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:09,
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Either you want freedom of speech, or you don't.

but when it crosses the line into inciting racial hatred (which is illegal) i think the law should step in.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:19,
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I think people who's point of view I don't agree with should be shut down as well.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:28,
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...a right without a responsibility for how you exercise that right.
But that's what people want!
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:36,
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But that's what people want!


if it's "i think we should raise interest rates" then that's fair enough, if it's "i think we should find a shop owned by a jewish person and burn it down with his whole family inside" then i reckon that's pretty irresponsible.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:43,
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Sounds like fascism to me.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:44,
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Benito's example is straightforwardly incitement to violence. And would have been illegal even before PC laws on incitement to hatred.
I think the dividing line between free speech and criminal speech is simply that you can say what you like, unless what you want to say is that any physical or psychological harm should come to anyone you disagree with.
"Jeremy Clarkson is a clunt" is fine.
"Jeremy Clarskon is a clunt and deserves to die" is fine.
"Jeremy Clarkson is a clunt and deserves to die and someone should do something about it" is incitement to violence and worthy of imprisonment.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 12:53,
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I think the dividing line between free speech and criminal speech is simply that you can say what you like, unless what you want to say is that any physical or psychological harm should come to anyone you disagree with.
"Jeremy Clarkson is a clunt" is fine.
"Jeremy Clarskon is a clunt and deserves to die" is fine.
"Jeremy Clarkson is a clunt and deserves to die and someone should do something about it" is incitement to violence and worthy of imprisonment.

Please clarify.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:10,
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It's about whether or not you agree people should be allowed to express their opinions - whether or not you agree with them.
Because it seems to me that you only want those who's opinions you approve of to be allowed the right to express them.
That is exactly - EXACTLY - what fascism did.
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:16,
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Because it seems to me that you only want those who's opinions you approve of to be allowed the right to express them.
That is exactly - EXACTLY - what fascism did.

anti-fascism movement in general or just at their view that the fascists should be denied a platform?
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 13:50,
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Hence - "burying irony in the name of righteousness".
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 14:13,
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who also think that fascists should be given a platform?
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 14:22,
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would just be a crap 4 colour rectangular cake....
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 11:42,
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go to member page
click on Battenburg link
download image file
print out Battenburg
cut out, fold and stick together
put on top of speaker next to computer monitor as a frail reminder of the incongruous mixture of reality and imitation that computing is
Make sure you have someone keep your shoe laces and your belt whenever you look at it (mine is staring at me now - creepy little bastard
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Tue 30 Mar 2010, 11:38,
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click on Battenburg link
download image file
print out Battenburg
cut out, fold and stick together
put on top of speaker next to computer monitor as a frail reminder of the incongruous mixture of reality and imitation that computing is
Make sure you have someone keep your shoe laces and your belt whenever you look at it (mine is staring at me now - creepy little bastard