I'm not confusing law and government programs.
Remember, no law is made by the executive. Bush had an overwhelming majority of both democrats and republicans to go to war, to address terrorism. Yes, the dems later said they didn't mean it during the following elections to appeal to the anti-war base (where have they gone? Silenced.) And just because one president issues an executive order does not grant power to, or limit subsequent presidents. Creating programs must be done on pursuant to a statutory grant, followed by exhaustive comment periods so that affected parties may influence the way an agency creates and enforces regulation. This is done for due process.
My real gripe? Is that he knows he doesn't have the power to do this, but just wanted to poke the repubs in the eye after the last election where he had his ass handed to him. I speak Spanish, so I do pro bono work with lots of migrant workers who believe he has saved them. The reality is the courts will likely overturn it, and if not, he has no funding to do the things he proposed. It will be like the myriad of other campaign promises he made, believing that good intentions, not reality are all that matters. Much like his "pre-emptive" Nobel Peace prize, it is all based on what he said he would do, not what he did. But to some, they are satisfied saying "well, at least he wanted to, but thoses other guys hate gays, women and the environment."
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gunmetal drove slowly in the passing lane on, Thu 4 Dec 2014, 0:57,
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Well now you're just mixing your personal politics with the law
"Remember, no law is made by the executive", well of course it isn't, that's my whole point, the law was passed in the congress in 2006 that granted the executive the right to create such programs."And just because one president issues an executive order does not grant power to, or limit subsequent presidents". This is a misreading. The limitations of 'executive decisions' are set by the congress and apply to the office of the executive and not to the individual who is currently in office. Legally Obama has exactly the same right as Bush to do this. These powers pass through presidents. "Creating programs must be done on pursuant to a statutory grant, followed by..", Yes, and that happened under the Bush administration back in 2006. The legal groundwork was laid back then and Obama is simply utilizing it.
Now to the politics. "well, at least he wanted to, but thoses other guys hate gays, women and the environment." Well I agree with that political sentiment in many ways. It's that cringe worthy, all too common liberal sentiment that says "Well yes, he has bombed 8 countries in 6 years and they've all been majority Muslim, but he has been pretty good on gay rights!". So I agree with that part of what you say. But that's not the issue here. If we are talking about legal issues then lets stick to that.
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