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This is a normal post On the topic of addressing the topic - what is the benefit of brexit again?
Except for vagaries about us not "being ruled" by blah blah blah.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 14:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post Okay
Controlling borders which allows the UK to restrict the population. At present our services are struggling both locally and nationally as the infrastructure that existed to cope with 55 million people now has to cope with 75. Everyone here is aware in one way or another of these systems struggling under the weight of population - NHS including the wait for GP appointments, the deep cuts made in local authorities which have removed minority support for disabled as well as the usual suspects such as arts and libraries, the benefits system which is being saved from collapse by destructive policies such as paying less rent to under 35s and benefit capping. These are often cheered as being good policies but they hurt the vulnerable. Brexit is not just for idiot racists who thought that all non-UK residents would be shoved out the door but a sensible move away from overpopulation.
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 18:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post So this island can only ever support 55 million people
How about is you gained another 20 million people who all contributed and then the government decided to increase the funding proportional to the increase in population?
We have an austerity/Tory problem that causes all the things you just said.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 19:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post So re-reading your post : we've had 20 million immigrants exclusively from the EU?

(dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 19:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nothing to do with EU immigrants as such, just the border control
This is about overpopulation. And again, no, I didn't say we could not sustain more than 55 million people just that the infrastructure that has been in place for sixty years (that is cross-party by the way so stop blaming this on just one) would need to change but in the meantime it is starting to creak alarmingly.
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 20:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hmmm.
So if it's nothing to do with EU immigrants why would brexit make any difference to the over population - given we control non-EU immigration already?
You've just talked yourself out of a benefit of brexit.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 20:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post I also didn't say it was nothing to do with EU immigrants
You must read more carefully. I said "as such" or "per se". This means that it isn't the direct issue. The problem is too many people in the UK and Brexit gives us the border control. Simple. No need to mention immigration at all because that is too narrow a viewpoint. It seems to be a remainer trick to bring everything round to these trigger points but this is not a hatred of immigrants I'm afraid but just simple economics.
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 21:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think we might have to agree to disagree.
You think there is no need to mention immigration... in a discussion about when brexit is good because it solves overpopulation via border control. And for that reason I'm out.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 21:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post I guess the remainers have to focus on immigration
It seems to be their entire agenda. There is more to Brexit than that. Overpopulation is not immigration's fault alone but it is one part of it. I was stating that there was no need to mention it because there are many other facets.

All of which you are not seemingly interested in discussing
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 23:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post ;-) you saucy little flirt
I appreciate your debating/ gentle trolling style greatly (if not the content) :
Start and finish with a niggling call to action then body the argument with a wiggle away from your initial position.
Lovely. You're not Russian are you? Now there is a country that has people know how to spin a story magnificently. All we have is "shut up and go away".
 (dyllon nice beaver., Wed 21 Mar 2018, 10:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Changing my initial position?
You asked someine to explain what positives Brexit would bring and I explained that it would mean control of the borders as overpopulation was key. Where is the change? Meanwhile you are no closer to engaging with me about the benefits of Brexit as I see them despite acknowledging that they exist.
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Wed 21 Mar 2018, 10:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Just re-reading your posts
And you haven't said anything about any of the validity of any of the points I made
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 20:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ha. I see what you did there.
TLDR - stop reading the daily mail.
 (dyllon nice beaver., Tue 20 Mar 2018, 20:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't read the Mail
What a strange assumption. Still I am looking forward to your standpoint on how you think things can be improved in the UK by staying in the EU. That is now forty years ago since we joined so everything that is happening now (the systematic breakdown of the welfare, health, education system by overpopulation) is actually in the EU's remit. How have they been good for the UK then?
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Tue 20 Mar 2018, 21:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post And no answer to this question either...
Still it has been fun :)
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Wed 21 Mar 2018, 10:58, , Reply)