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This is a normal post That's very nice benny and russia truely are shits but the discussion is the EU's proposed censorship laws they are about to vote for.
You have no opinion on the proposed changes? Good or bad?
Come on it's your beloved EU, can't you defend them on this topic?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 4 Jul 2018, 15:39, Reply)
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I refer the honorable gentleman to his previous post on this subject where I said that it's pretty much a non-starter and impossible to enforce.

So, although it's bad (tm) it doesn't matter.
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 4 Jul 2018, 16:19, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this
Article 11 and 13 are about as precisely written and enforceable as GDPR.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 4 Jul 2018, 16:27, Reply)
This is a normal post So the argument is that it's vague and unenforceable?
I would argue that vague laws are very dangerous.

And as for being unenforceable the EU is making that the problem of the hosts to solve.

Rather than go over old arguments here's one of them wide eyed EU optimists that's put together everything that's bad about it.
juliareda.eu/eu-copyright-reform/censorship-machines/

Anyway, just thought I would share with the class that the next stage of this law is being voted on tomorrow.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 4 Jul 2018, 16:51, Reply)
This is a normal post On the issue of automated content detection/removal, what do you think of 38(e) in the directive?
"should only be expected to expeditiously remove specific unauthorised works and other subject matter upon notification by rightholders"... unless you're Google or Facebook? Given the love the EU has for Google it wouldn't be surprising if this is aimed more squarely at them. Genuinely interested in your thoughts.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 4 Jul 2018, 17:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Well at a guess that's the bit designed to avoid small start-ups from needing to pay for costly AI filtering.
Here's the full text for that section.

"(38e) The measures taken by the online content sharing service providers to prevent the availability of unauthorised works or other subject-matter should be effective but remain proportionate, in particular with regard to the size of the online content sharing service provider. While this

Directive is expected to foster the development of effective technologies on the market, the availability of the measures may differ according to the type of content for which the measures are applied. Having regard to the technological developments in line with industry best practices, those measures should consequently ensure a level of efficiency appropriate to the amount and the type of works or other subject matter uploaded by the users of the services. For the purposes of assessing the proportionality of measures to be taken by the online content sharing service providers, the state of the art of existing technologies for the different types of content as well as the size of the services should be taken into account notably whether they are small and micro enterprises. Different measures may be appropriate and proportionate per type of content and itIt is therefore not excluded that in some cases unauthorised content may only be avoided upon notification of rightholders. The measures should be proportionate in order to avoid imposing disproportionately complicated or costly obligations on certain online content sharing service providers, taking into account notably their small size. In particular, small and micro enterprises as defined in Title I of the Annex to Commission Recommendation 2003/361/EC, should be expected to be subject to less burdensome obligations than larger service providers. Therefore, taking into account the state of the art and the availability of technologies and their costs, in specific cases it may not be proportionate to expect small and micro enterprises to apply preventive measures and that therefore in such cases these enterprises should only be expected to expeditiously remove specific unauthorised works and other subject matter upon notification by rightholders."

If I could understand all of the above I would have chosen a different career path. But as far as I can make out from people a lot smarter than me in this regards it's still pretty bad news and becomes a startup killer. Depending on where the bar is set if you start to become competition you get this burden regulation slapped on you. So rather than being against Google and facebook it stops a competitor growing.

But say you are small fry. Is you work hosted on imgr, wordpress, Adobe, facebook, instagram etc? They'll be filtering all your uploads of images, text, audio for possible breaches. So it will still kill your site.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 4 Jul 2018, 17:48, Reply)
This is a normal post well I was just saying it was badly written
I don't think it's a good idea in any shape or form.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 10:31, Reply)
This is a normal post *sighs* You're missing the point.
Paul McCartney is down to his last 820 million quid so if we could all just change the law in his favour to extend his copyright (not for the first time), that'd be great. Peg leg turned out to be a real gold digger and the maintenance is killing him.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 4 Jul 2018, 16:28, Reply)
This is a normal post here we go again
You:
- this decision is bad
- the legislature is evil
- the forrins are all against us

People who understand:
- I disagree with this legislation, this has happened many times in my life, but understand that I am not the only person on the planet and some people think differently to me
- the concept of intra-national cooperation is sound and generally results in better outcomes for us all than narrow nationalistic self-interest
- I would prefer not to experience a 10 year recession
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 9:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Well that was certainly worth the wait...

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 10:28, Reply)
This is a normal post I go back through all our old discussions and add the last word after you've stopped looking

(benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 10:56, Reply)
This is a normal post That certainly sounds productive.
Anyway I thought you were all for listening to experts?
www.eff.org/files/2018/06/13/article13letter.pdf
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 11:05, Reply)
This is a normal post you are again implying that criticism of the legislation is the same as criticism of the legislature
You know that pretty much every person who's signed that letter thinks the UK leaving the EU is a stupid idea. Because nearly everyone with a professional qualification does, nearly everyone who has to attend international seminars does, nearly everyone who talks or thinks about things for a living or knows anything about how the world around them works does.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 11:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Hey i'm trying to keep this to a single issue not the wider brexit stuff.
Anyway you're free to say it's a bad law now without upsetting the eu's feelings because it's just been rejected.
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/european-copyright-laws-memes-link-tax-article-13-11-a8432486.html

Now if we can only get out before they try something like this again that would be nice.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 11:29, Reply)
This is a normal post and there we have it
the decision went your way and you still feel persecuted. There is literally nothing they could do that would convince you that this otherness you feel is all in your head
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 11:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Still feel persecuted?
Well yes because it was a close thing.

And sadly it looks like it's not over.
"In practice, the vote only delays the final decision on the rules and gives the European Parliament more time to deliberate on them. Another decision will be taken in September."

Shall we pick this up in a couple of months?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 11:49, Reply)
This is a normal post yes your 'they nearly did something I didnt like' argument is a bit weak
Get back to the newt thing again, I preferred all that
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 11:57, Reply)
This is a normal post They nearly did something that would fuck over the internet.
I like the internet, I take offence when people try to fuck it over.

Btw 278 for it 318 against 31 abstaining and they get to vote again in September. What is it about the EU that makes people want to keep voting on the same thing until people vote the right way?

Anyway tata for now benny!
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 12:00, Reply)
This is a normal post what sort of slice off the British economy would you be prepared to sacrifice to make sure we arent subjected to a poorly conceived copyright law?
Could you quantify it? How many millions unemployed? How many quarters of negative growth? That sort of thing
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 12:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Somewhere between a bit and eleventy.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 14:29, Reply)
This is a normal post typically votes happen more than once, it's equivalent to first reading, second reading in the UK
where the bill is passed to and from lower and upper house, you know, democracy. Except the upper house in the EU is elected.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 14:15, Reply)
This is a normal post A lot of people were hoping that it being defeated would be the end of it but apparently now.
I'll just have to keep being a boring sod complaining about it until they stop trying to pass it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 14:31, Reply)
This is a normal post taking part in democracy you mean?
what a novel idea
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 14:59, Reply)
This is a normal post Every time I do that people keep telling me i'm voting wrong :(

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 17:09, Reply)
This is a normal post here we go again
You:
- patronising cunt

People who understand:
- yes he is
 (I helped save b3ta! The_cold_stare Coming here only when very, very bored, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 18:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Had to scroll up and down a few times to work out if it's me or benny that should be offended...

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 5 Jul 2018, 19:03, Reply)