"I love the way the EU argument has been polarised into calling opponents racist and making Farage look a dick"
only if you read commentary and analysis no more sophisticated than the fucking Sun. Most opponents of Brexit see enormous negative consequence in breaking a complex series of multilateral agreements in everything from product safety to reciprocal sales tax, with pan-european organisation to manage them with economy of scale, and instead resorting to some ridiculous fantasy of go-it-alone nationalism, where almost everyone of those agreements will eventually need to be renegotiated from a position of weakness, because most of them Britian was in favour of because it was in our interest, if not the architect of. And that the number one issue of Brexiters, freedom of movement, had some merit back in the 90s if you were in low-skilled trade that didn't require language skills, but makes less sense now where the trend for the three years before brexit was reducing numbers of Poles in Britain as the polish economy modernised and now provides a decent market for british and european goods and is buffer against Russian influence, exactly the motivating factors behind allowing them entry. Or that where once post-war Britain led the way in human rights and equity, in recent years the pendulum has swung. Compare the European Charter on Human Rights with the tories Snoopers Charter (Investigatory Powers Bill ). One guarantees a right to privacy, the british one allows bulk data collection and inspection by multiple third party agencies without warrant. Or the EU anti-monopoly success against sony and microsoft. Do you think Britian has the power or political will to stand up to these multinationals as the EU did?
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Or listen to the EU, or its supporters
"If the EU camp had pointed out a few good reasons for staying I'm sure they would've won."
That's all they had to do. That's all they still need to do. Given the resources they have to hand it should be quite easy really.
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they made good, reasoned and articulate arguments against brexit, they were everywhere I looked, as did almost all independent commenters of any standing and economic institutions who attempted to model the outcome
But it was all "project fear", wasn't it? Better not to engage with it. Like when people tell you the Shroud of Turin is fake, that's really Satan talking through them. They weren't listened to then. they're not being listened to now. Brexiters will find a weak bit of pro-EU political satire like the above and pretend that's the sum of counterarguments. It's little different to project fear
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 21 May 2019, 1:28,
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This, fucking this
If you think arch listed all the problems with brexit you are too dumb to be allowed to breathe unsupervised.
I think Project Fear steals the high ground from Project Dumbfuck
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That and project dumbfuck never pointed out that most of the controls they were campaigning for we already had, but never chose to implement.
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If its all about economic arguments
Why do we hand over legal decision making to the ECJ?
Lets just have a free trading area and agreement. Why mandate a unifying currency that quite frankly just doesn't fucking work. Lets not have the international embarrassment and corrupt Juncker as 'President'.
No-one predicted that Greece would go to shit when it joined the EU. Where were you fucking smart arse predictors then? What about Italy? Where have the EU financial controls been? What makes anyone on this planet think the EU is fit for purpose for undertaking financial governance?
Where is this EU fucking master-plan for the future that you bunch of bastards all seem to be so knowledgeable about - No-one whatsoever has said yeah this is where the EU is going and this is an analysis of where we end up. If the end conclusion is a European superstate, fucking well say it out loud and lets discuss it.
That's the real fear, project or otherwise. An executive that controls our country, isn't any good at it and doesn't give a shit about our interests.
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