At, with, whatever.
Ultimately this has nothing to do with ‘right leaning’ agendas and conspiracies, as much as the trans lobby bleat that it does. It comes down to cold hard facts of science, specifically biology.
For a long time we have accepted that climate change dialogue must follow the science. More recently we have accepted that governments must follow the science in their responses to Covid. Yet in the trans debate, science can get the fuck out. Cancel all who disagree.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Mon 28 Jun 2021, 22:51,
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You've missed the major point in Jessie's video -
Early transitioning for trans girls through hormone treatments avoids creating a male physique during puberty. This too is science.
The sports discussion is part of a wider issue that trans people are not being treated the way they want. This is itself part of a wider issue that conservative groups tend to deny the rights of non-cis, non-hetero people.
One doesn't need to claim there's a conspiracy when there are actual legislative processes going on to deny those rights. It's not a conspiracy, it's an open fact.
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Invisible Wizard - 13th Level Scrote, Tue 29 Jun 2021, 8:01,
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You've missed the most major point of childhood development.
They are, by nature, extremely whimsical and capricious. The idea that an 8 year old can give informed consent to be given puberty blockers is crazy. These drugs irreversibly change a person for life. If they're not allowed tattoos before they're 18, why should they be allowed puberty blockers?
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 29 Jun 2021, 13:40,
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Prufrock is spot on
…and I don’t often agree with him.
Add into that that regressive parents can and do enforce gender norms, and an 8 year old (or younger) being told that their interests are “not appropriate for boys” who also hears that it’s the case that some boys are really girls, might reach the understanding that a boy who likes feminine stuff is a girl.
Genuine progressive thought says this;
“a girl is a child with a female body and any personality”
the current extreme form of trans activism adopted by Mermaids and the like says
“A girl is a child with a female personality and any body”
And you can see them as being just different phrasing’s of the same thing, if not for the fact that Mermaids and trans activism in general follows it up with “oh, but the body then has to match the personality to avoid distress in later life, so hormones and a pathway to surgery it is”
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