Agree that tarring with the nonce brush is shit and unhelpful
…but I’m dubious about the “best interest” thing.
The reason for this is that there’s a lot of evidence to suggest that these two groups (im focusing on male people here for the moment):
1: male children who are gender non-conforming and claim to be girls
2: middle aged males who come out as trans later in life
are entirely different demographics - group 1, left untreated, does not grow into group 2.
There are all manner of possible reasons for group 1, not least environmental factors and the fact that if a small human boy is taught a differing definition of “girl” that allows male children to be one, and that seems to summarise his personality, then *of course* some boys will genuinely believe they’re girls, it’s just that they’re basing that identity on the idea that “girl” *is* an identity and not a neutral descriptor. Factor in the lovebombing that trans kids receive from organisations who treat “trans” as a brilliant thing to be, and the current cultural tendency to see trans kids as “special” and add in that to a small child “we can change you into the girl you are meant to be” has more relevance as a strategy to be safe from bullying than as anything about future life and it’s easy to see that there is a credible possibility that maybe these are kids being told bullshit by adults
However, older middle aged transitioners, in order to support their claims to literally be women, to literally have an intrinsic sense of gender that should overwrite sex for them, and for everyone else, *need* for there to be a group of young people they can point to as evidence that they have *always* been women.
And as the Tavistock whistleblowers are saying, there’s a LOT of trans activists who have convinced small children with homophobic parents that it’s OK, their little gay kid isn’t gay, they are just in the wrong body and since we got them early, dosing them full of hormones will be best
(, Wed 30 Jun 2021, 10:09, Reply)
"tarring with nonce brush"?, not you too.?
it seems to be a recurring theme when arguing with thick people that they have difficulty in comprehending that comparative analogies are often limited in scope to single qualities, rather than general associations, in this case what constitutes mental illness and what doesn't.
If I'd meant that transpeople are like paedophiles I would have said it. still, I'll know next time im dealing with people who say "duh, he said 'paedophile'. he done think they're all paedophiles". I'll leave you all to it
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 30 Jun 2021, 11:54,
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I know what you meant
And I can see the analogy that you’re making, and that you aren’t drawing a moral equivalence or anything like that. The point is though that in making a persuasive argument, it’s best to avoid giving people something to grasp to in lieu of a point, and arguing with trans activists already involves dealing with bad faith and obfuscation, so for me, if the point can be made without a paedophile analogy, so much the better.
As you point out - the opponents in this debate are people who have been convinced that chemical sterilisation of kids is a great idea, and who have somehow never realised that men are physically stronger and faster than women,. Thick people are the opponents
(, Wed 30 Jun 2021, 13:52, Reply)
well, if I can't use a good paedo analogy in B3ta, where else?
but I appreciate the explanation
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 30 Jun 2021, 16:05,
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