Yep of course, no one is being silenced.
"no one is getting silenced, you just object to someone else having their two pence worth of opinion"
Hmm, finding that difficult to distinguish that from censorship myself.
So it's all lovely and perfectly legitimate to bully companies into withdrawing sponsorship. Until of course it's someone you approve of who gets defunded. And it is effectively censorship if you deny other voices the ability to raise funds to compete with left-approved channels.
I am just fed up of this tribal shit from the left and right who see anything they don't approve of as evil and must be stopped. And then dressing it up as perfectly OK because we aren't denying them free speech, just cutting off their means of funding. As if it's not the same thing in a media-driven age.
(, Fri 6 Aug 2021, 13:43, Reply)
you wouldnt know censorship if it bit you
"So it's all lovely and perfectly legitimate to bully companies into withdrawing sponsorship"
yep, that's fucking democracy and consumer power, and it's beautiful. GB news say what they like. these billboarders are saying what they like. people decide if they like gb news and it's advertisers or if they don't. The reason why it's effective in getting advertisers spooked is that enough people don't like GB news, now that they're aware that advertisers are bankrolling something they would have preferred to keep quiet. It's the opposite of censorship. It's free speech and it's consequences in action. If sainsbury and halfords want to sell themselves as responsible corporate entities while bankrolling shit, then they have to deal with the consequences of that choice of association. These billboarders arent the one putting pressure, it's an informed public. go whine about tribalism to someone else. I'll choose who I give my money too. Free speech doesn't carry with it the right to get funded free from scrutiny. what an absurd position.
If my aunt tells me the bloke on the corner shop is was saying racist shit to a customer, and I choose to go to a different shop rather give the cunt another penny, my aunt isn't censoring the shop, she's exercising her free speech by informing me, and letting me make a choice as a consumer. You just don't like the choices people make, but tough shit. That's part of a democracy also
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 6 Aug 2021, 14:07,
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No, that's not democracy, it's bullying.
By your logic I could put up a poster saying "That cumquat_may off B3ta is a nonce, so don't employ them" and it would be OK. I mean it's not bullying and I'm not curtailing their right to talk about it, it's just helping employers make an informed choice. And my aunt told me about it, so it must be true.
Just democracy and Free Speech.
If you can't see the problem in what Led by Donkeys do, then I give up.
(, Fri 6 Aug 2021, 15:43, Reply)
And free speech comes with responsibility, so if your poster was a gratuitous libel, you would have to accept the legal consequences...
I am just fed up of this tribal shit from the left and right who see anything they don't approve of as evil and must be stopped
Are you suggesting that attacking the RNLI for doing its job and rescuing people is a valid position, and objecting to Farage's nonsense is just a "tribal response" by a particular political wing? If it is just political "tribalism" why do you think the subsequent public support for the RNLI was so overwhelming?
(, Fri 6 Aug 2021, 17:00, Reply)
So don't listen to Farage if he talks crap
Or do as others do and donate to the RNLI.
What I object to is any group that decides they are going to bring down legitimate media channels because they don't like the presenters or their viewpoints. If that becomes acceptable, then what's to stop someone like Farage doing it? He could drum up a lot more support than Led by Donkeys (Brexit anyone?) and is that where we want this to go?
(, Fri 6 Aug 2021, 22:51, Reply)
farage's channel doesn't have a right to exist, any more than any other publisher does. Whether you consider it "legitimate" is immaterial. It's commercial and these are market forces
it faces the consequences of what it says and so, thanks to the these fine citizens bringing it to our attention, do his advertisers who support him. like that video below, maybe he'll find advertisers who just don't give a fuck who they associate with, like cash for gold. Sure, he won't get the big bucks, but maybe if he didn't spout poison he would.
Personally, I think the use of ethical consumer power is one of the best democratic developments of recent times. I went on a protest against the iraq war, there were millions of us in stretching through the west end. it did absolutely fuck all difference, blair just went ahead and we're still dealing with the shitty global consequences. But threaten the money, and suddenly things change. Nike realise that maybe they shouldnt be using sweatshops. If Halfords realise that if they associate and bankroll Farages nonsense, then a lot of people arent going to buy their shitty bikes, then that's a good thing. Coopers in australia was respected and popular beer brand. then it came out against gay marriage and people discovered it was funding the conservatives in it's home state. so they stopped drinking it. It's unclear which part you object to, somebody telling us what coopers are up to, like this billboard, or me making a choice not give my money to people whose principles I disagree with?
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 6 Aug 2021, 23:31,
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You do know that Farage is already doing that, don't you? He has repeatedly criticised the BBC and called for it to be defunded. He's just getting a taste of his own medicine here, isn't he?
(, Sat 7 Aug 2021, 1:23, Reply)
that's a stupid example. calling me a nonce would be libellous and I'd sue you
unless I was, I suppose. The billboard writers aren't claiming anything that isn't true, if they did Farage could sue them.
as you don't seem to grasp. free speech has consequences, it's not freedom from responsibility of what you say. And people not choosing to buy peoples products or spend money with an advertising isn't actually bullying, Farage isn't a schoolchild and nobody's teasing him because he's got the head of a toad, that's just you trying to associate it with emotive language because you've got no other argument. It's interesting how you detest the identity politics language of the left, yet you try to use it as shield when you feel threatened.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 6 Aug 2021, 23:45,
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What I grasp is that you and others consider this all fine and dandy because it's Farage.
Wait until it is someone you support.
I personally detest Farage and all he stands for, but I also realise that what is sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander.
Any tactic you create to remove voices you don't approve of will eventually be used against ones you approve of.
That's what bothers me, that the Led By Donkey idiots show others the way to cancel channels and shows they don't like.
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