Where was I backpedaling?
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough:
I was absolutely against any occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan. Wasn't our business. Should have left them to it.
However, the government thought better and decided to invade anyway.
At that moment, we had basically said "Well, we're in it for the long haul, now". Because we knew as soon as we vacated, things would go completely tits up.
We vacated, things went tits up.
Now the folk campaigning for us to leave Afghanistan are going to realise what a bad idea that was and start pleading for a re-occupation.
Essentially, every decision we've made in regards to the conflict has been a massive fucking failure.
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unlike the trans debate, I actually care about this issue
I was in London for the biggest protest march in history. We knew this was the outcome and all I feel now is sadness. I don't even have much stomach to argue with you, but briefly, we weren't preventing the place from going tits up, we were the ongoing cause of it. The country was a basketcase of warlords, IUDs, corrupt puppets, soldier kicking in doors, and death from above because of us. I don't mean to be the one to break it to you, but life hasn't been very good for the average afghani these last 20 years, and it's been because of us. this is why the Taliban has the support and the puppet kharzi in kabul doesn't
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 10:57,
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The biggest ever demo was in 2003, two years after the invasion of Afghanistan. It was against the invasion of Iraq.
An IUD is a contraceptive device.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 11:17,
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pedantry is not the same as insight or intelligence, it's just the scraps you latch onto because you lack the others
anyway, it matters not. the world is how it is because there's enough dickwits that allow it
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 12:06,
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Certainly things have been fucking shit in Afghanistan for the last 20 years.
However, to name just one significant improvement, girls were in schools and women in universities. That was not the case before 2001, and I think it’s safe to assume will no longer be the case now.
To quote someone much wiser than I am:
“have you ever considered the possibility that you might be wrong in some of your assertions?”
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 12:44,
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only if you believe some white picket fence fairytale you were sold. Im sure the spectator would have run an article about how lucky afghani women are because of us
we succeeded in creating a little bubble at enormous expenses, where those lucky few wealthy from corruption could enjoy a sort weird western green-zone shopping mall life, where in the provinces we abandoned all else to their lawless fate, which was our missile and mop up operations and it's really hard to tell who's taliban and who isn't so lets kill them all to be sure, ensuring that fundamentalists would be well supported. It's those same people who are on the tarmac now. And people are scratching there heads and saying "why didn't they support our man?" It's because of what we did, all else is a mirage. There were plenty of people, soldiers, civilians, ngos, talking about how things were actually like, how fucked we'd made things and how little we're liked or supported, but few were listening. We're the good guys, right?
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 12:59,
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As bad as things were, I am certain that under the Taleban they will be infinitely worse.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 13:11,
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you're certain, are you?
I guess you must really be in touch what an afghani villager wants out of life and what they prioritise. Strange that they've abandoned the karzai so quickly in favour of the taliban, but you know better. I mean, they're muslims and under the taliban, there's law and protection of property and a means of redress that hasn't existed in 20 years of western shitfuckery and they've repeately said that's why they prefer the taliban when interviewed about it, but they're most likely lying. They probably didn't realise that we were just about to make things great for them instead of treating all of them like potential enemies that we can treat horribly or kill with little accountability, it was going to happen any day now....
I see swagatha went all quiet. lucky you were on hand to pick up the slack
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 13:28,
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I guess all those people desperately trying to get on planes to escape the Taleban, like the people your original post was about, aren’t Afghanis.
I guess the streets are deserted in Kabul because everyone is at home, celebrating quietly.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 13:51,
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How do you think the Afghans that didn't actively oppose the post-Taliban government are going to be treated now?
Do you think all will be forgiven?
Are you seriously suggesting that things are going to get better for the majority of the Afghani population now? Just because they all follow the same religion?!
I'm struggling to think of any nations that have flourished under a theocratic government. Can you name any?
The Afghanis were fucked before the Western occupation. They're doublefucked now. I mean, unless the Taliban have had a change of heart and decided that boiling people alive or locking them in cages and watching them burn to death was perhaps a little ethically misguided. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Maybe they'll just stick to throwing homosexuals from the tops of buildings.
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I remember when they were called the Mujahideen
and in the eyes of the west were brave freedom fighters.
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Tusk knows where you live, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 14:21,
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Well they were fighting the Soviets at the time. However sometimes the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 14:26,
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'...was killed by a hidden IUD'
What a tragic way to die.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Mon 16 Aug 2021, 19:48,
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