I'm not attempting to define gender identities any further than I already have done, because they're subjective cultural terms.
I'm happy to leave things without restrictive and exclusive definition, especially when societal and cultural norms are involved.
It seems to be that we have a fundamental philosophical difference here, that cannot possibly be resolved with the positions that we've both put forward. Clearly you all rang rings round me logically, and I've got everything wrong.
You can have your philosophy of sex and gender, and I'll just go and have my opinions corrected, along with the WHO's and the GMC's and BMA's.
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Invisible Wizard - 12th Level Errorer, Tue 24 Aug 2021, 12:40,
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i think your hearts in the right place
transpeople want to be seen and treated as their chosen gender and get distressed if they don't, and it's noble to try to accommodate them. you might be able to out-reason someone, but you cant instil empathy in them if they have none. Whether you think we're wrong in our categorisation of terms like woman, I think you'd concede that yours is a change to what most would have if pressed, and to how people have viewed it for centuries with the odd exception. This doesn't mean we have to keep things as they are, but it does mean that it's not a trivial change they're asking but a change to something fundamental all of us do constantly everyday, which is deduce the the gender of the person we're interacting with if we havent already. And there are plenty of thorny side issues that come with it.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 24 Aug 2021, 13:36,
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Why do you think
A “subjective cultural term” is a more meaningful category than “sex”? Why do you think a claim to come under the undefined umbrella of the “subjective cultural term” “woman” should qualify one into the category of sport created to recognise the material reality of sex?
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