The measure of how offensive a joke is
would you tell it to the face of someone on the sharp end of it?
Would Jimmy Carr walk up to a Gipsy and tell them that joke, and if he did, would you say "well done, Jimmy, nice one." Or would you think he was being a racist cunt.
IMO it's a shit joke. Very lazy. Relies on shock. Punches down. He's capable of much better material.
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Sun 6 Feb 2022, 16:53,
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That’s not true.
We all make jokes about people, family, friends, colleagues, neighbours etc that we would never say to their faces. That doesn’t make it a hate crime.
It does rely exclusively on shock. As shocking as something can be when you’re explicitly and emphatically warned you’re about to be shocked. That’s the point. He’s an edgy taboo buster, it’s what he does and how he got to where he is. People like it.
Perhaps they like it because they’re evil racists that yearn for a second holocaust. Or maybe it’s entertaining to be shocked by even the most basic bait and switch sick joke.
Netflix has stood by Chapelle so they should be ok with Carr. I think we’ll see him grovel very soon in order to keep the channel 4 gig. I think channel 4 will forgive him as they’ve pretty much built their light entertainment schedule around him for a good few years now. But nothing is certain.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Sun 6 Feb 2022, 20:54,
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I just don't think it's very funny
that's my main objection.
Edit, also it's about context and audience. My ex is one of the most PC people on earth and it became a running joke between us to think up the most offensive jokes we could, because we knew neither one believed any of it. It's using language to wind people up, but it only works if it's "captive." If you release it out into the wild it's different.
If you put something out on a Netflix then you lose the ability to control the context. In a venue you can build up to an offensive joke, lay careful groundwork, subvert it and turn back on the audience. Once you put something in a download it can be taken out of context. Carr knows better.
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Mon 7 Feb 2022, 8:19,
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that sounds like a measure of how inoffensive a joke is
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 6 Feb 2022, 21:15,
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Not really
if it's offensive, it also has to be very, very good. If you're going to go face-to-face with the object of your joke, then either make it so good they'll laugh with you, or offending them is your aim.
I have jokes about politicians, these jokes are deeply offensive, I'd love to tell them to them in person. I have been the butt of many jokes in an audience but if the comedian is good and the routine/joke is well written it'll make me laugh.
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Mon 7 Feb 2022, 8:22,
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I'd never tell a joke I knew was going to offend someone, we should be considerate about the feelings of others and not be exclusionary in our language against a particular group or minority
except for albanians, who are lower than dogs
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 7 Feb 2022, 12:13,
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