it doesnt suggest anything, they're saying they found an inverse relationship between cognitive ability and vaccine uptake time
my observation wasn't around why this is, though a likely inference would be that smart people value the vaccine more, but about how studies that correlate low intelligence with certain behaviour are rejected out of hand for spurious reasons by people who exhibit those behaviours.
The catch 22 is that good science that should persuade a person of low intelligence that their behaviour is harmful or leads them to be misinformed, is ineffective as that person is incapable of being able to understand or critically analyse that research as it applies to them, or that they should give more credibility weight to a a well-designed study than some fuckstick selling protein shakes on a youtube channel
I'd love to see a qualitative follow-up where they go back to a sample of this cohort and show them the study and ask for them their opinion about it, and then map their responses to that already assessed cognitive ability. I reckon it would confirm what I already observe in people, and be depressingly hilarious in the reasons why they reject it
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 12 Sep 2023, 0:37,
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Well, the UK vaccine uptake was one of the fastest and most widespread of any country in the world.
Which, according to this study, means we’re very clever. Yet a majority voted Brexit, and the Tories have been in power for over a decade, which apparently means we’re very stupid.
All l’m saying is, I suspect the very smart people who conducted this study had decided what the outcome of the study would be before the study had even taken place. Did it even factor in the problems the non-vaccinated faced vis-à-vis work and travel? Were these people the cleverest or just the most pragmatic due to circumstance?
My fear is populations worldwide will be much less compliant when the next epidemic hits, as the dangers of Covid were, just a teensy bit, exaggerated. The West was well vaccinated, the rest of the world not so much, and yet nobody wants to talk about that. How come?
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 12 Sep 2023, 2:14,
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I'd speculate if you had the data you'd see the same relationship in the UK
the reason they tend to use scandanavian cohorts is that they already have good data on things like cognitive tests (thanks to ones they do for compulsory military service) or genetic mapping (I think they've done most of iceland's population) , so that potentially expensive and difficult part of the study is already done. You just need to correlate it with whatever else you're looking at, in this case the time between vaccine release and uptake times.
It's not an assessment of the rollout policy, or how different countries took different approaches, it's just saying when a cohort has the same opportunity for the vaccine, people with higher cognitive ability have the vaccine much sooner.
I'm not sure on what basis you say they decided the outcome first, or why this would have an affect on the validity of the data or methodology, which would be just looking at vaccination dates, which in most countries were registered in a database, and correlating this with known cognitive scores. The study is just about vaccine uptake time, transport issues of the non-vaccinated werent part of the study. Though unless sweden makes you take an IQ test to get a bus pass, I'd imagine that such issues were the same across the population regardless of cognitive ability scores, so it's unlikely to be a factor accounting for the difference.
As to the risk/impact/benefit of the various countries' approaches to the pandemic, there's a huge amount to unpack there, and I've no wish to rehash vaccine policy arguments again in b3ta. But there's no right answer, even if you have access to accurate data to base your opinion in something resembling reality, which many people don't, it still comes down to what you value more and your own personal circumstances as to what you considered a good or bad approach
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 12 Sep 2023, 2:52,
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The outcome was so very obviously decided first.
“Hey, who’s cleverer? Anti-vaxers or people who got the jab early doors?”
“I really have no idea. What a fascinating study that would make. Let’s find a suitable data set. It could go either way.”
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 12 Sep 2023, 15:28,
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While the research itself may have had some value in terms of how to increase the vaccine take-up, it does seem to to have been constructed in a way to allow smug cunts to backslap each other about how smart they are.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 12 Sep 2023, 16:13,
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I think a study of relative wealth and its impact on vaccine take up might be interesting.
Would that prove rich people are cleverer than poor people? Are people richer because they are more educated or are they more educated because they are rich?
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 12 Sep 2023, 20:31,
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Ah, I see what you’re driving at, thought you meant they’d rigged the results
Yeah, you’re probably right, though a lot of science is setting out to prove something you thought is likely to be true
But given it’s not a particularly useful finding there could well be an element of shitting on antivaxxers motivating it, as Garold said.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 13 Sep 2023, 12:13,
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It’s also about race and money. Rich white people got the vaccine first.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 13 Sep 2023, 13:12,
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I'm going to type this as I think so these are just musings
but I think some of the reasons why the uptake was so quick in the uk:
We had one of the worst death rates in Europe. We locked down hard and were pretty compliant (not including our elected leader, the fucking cunt who set the rules) and the vaccine was presented as the way out of it so people were really looking forward to getting the jab.
The other thing that counted towards people getting it was that in the UK the anti-vax lobby was led by people like Piers Corbyn. With a Corbyn on your side, you know you'll lose.
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garold you're on mute I SAID YOU'RE ON MUTE, Tue 12 Sep 2023, 12:37,
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