Your missing the point
The priority is need.. not nationality
And don't even get me started on the increadable contribution other nations (where it just happens the majority of our immigrants have come from) gave to ournation, not just during the wars but also when we bled them dry through empire.
I'm not going to demand a service at the detriment of someone who needs it more just because of what my grand parents did.
No im gratfull for their contribution because we can live in a country where we have an NHS which is blind to your nationality, race etc. and a country that treats refugees, those requiring assylum with care.
I could try explain further, but i need to get back to my revision.
essentialy you are creating a fictitious situation where some one who like you say contributed NI, tax, etc who is in a worse situation than an immigrant who has just arrived, and the immigrant gets the house/service. The point is, under the system as it stands, THAT does not happen, services are handed out according to who needs it most. it just happens that most immigrants are more in need that "native british people".
im strugling to make my self clear, sorry
I just have to say again, the issue isnt with how services are dealt out. Its the infrastructure and funding which is lacking.
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Jorvic, Mon 18 May 2009, 16:53,
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how am i missing the point?
"...who is in a worse situation than an immigrant who has just arrived, and the immigrant gets the house/service. The point is, under the system as it stands, THAT does not happen."
er, yes it does. i read all the time of people getting priviledged treatment ahead of british people. even the authorities involved didn't deny the stories. what you are essentially sayinmg is that anyone can come here in any state and expect to go to the top of the housing list as they are homeless. well yes, they left their home to come here so they have no home here, but they would get a property ahead of someone british who has lost their home due to the economic situation. is that a fair system then?
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Mon 18 May 2009, 16:59,
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If you show me some of those examples, Ill be more than happy to say I'm wrong
Im just pointing out in principle services should only be distributed out of need. (choosing the example that birth, ancestry etc is irrelevent in my opinion)
If some one is this country and they need help they should get it on an eaqual level on a basis of need.
Now on the other hand if you have a problem with people being in this country and therefor representing competition for service. You're now talking about BNP and Conservative attitudes to immigration and assylum. WHich is a different discusion entirely. Ie. if you accept immigration, and the concept of assylum you have to accept the downside that they require the same services that everyone else does.
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Jorvic, Mon 18 May 2009, 17:39,
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