this may be true but nothing logically follows from it.
I don't owe this person any loyalty because of what I got out of it. So she was irresponsible as well, and she turned out to be on the winning side, well there you go.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:45,
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seriously?
you don't owe anything to the people who fought and often died for your freedom which you exercise?
do emancipated slaves not owe anything to the people who fought for their emancipation?
do i not owe anything to my grandfather who went to war on the front lines in germany and witnessed his friends dying, to contribute to a world which allows me to sit her typing this right now?
yes i do, and you are seriously, and sadly and disappointingly wrong.
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:48, Reply)
I don't owe loyalty.
I don't have to approve of everything anybody did just because I got something out of it in the end.
If I had been saved from hypothermia I wouldn't owe loyalty to the nazi scientists who threw prisoners into barrels of ice-water to see what would happen.
If someone neglected their responsibilities as a parent and risked arrest to get women the right to vote I don't have to approve of people neglecting their responsibilities to their children for the sake of some other political cause.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:53,
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and where with the nazis
i love a good nazi,
"I don't have to approve of everything anybody did just because I got something out of it in the end."
no you don't, but your argument is roughly, these women as mothers should not put their kids welfare in danger by protesting.
why is the children's welfare at danger if they protest? imagine living in that world...if they will take your children for protesting, what else will they do...is it not better to get the worlds media attention so such an atrocity sparks outrage?
is it the duty of a mother to bring her child into a world where they could be imprisoned or killed just for having a different "opinion"?
or is the correct thing to do, as a mother, or human being, to try to create the best possible world for all of us, our brothers, sisters, friends and children?
and to do that by making a big fuss...to get global attention, by taking a risk... aren't they trying to protect their children ultimately?
im bored of this now,
(, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 15:58, Reply)
I'll be honest I don't really know how bad the civil rights situation is in Russia at the moment,
I only wanted to point out that I can support someone's cause without approving of their methods.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:04,
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Oh it's not that bad
So long as you're not wanting free speech, challenge the political establishment, believe in an deity not approved by the state, be the wrong colour, have sex with people the same gender as you....
If you're silly enough to want any of that then it's pretty horrible.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 16:22,
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http://nplusonemag.com/pussy-riot-closing-statements
You should probably do some research first before spouting shit then.
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Chilli Heatwave ,shit, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 20:43,
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Maybe I should but I'm not just going to take their word for it,
I can read exactly this sort of paranoid rant on Infowars any day of the week and I take it with a pinch of salt. I need something of substance.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 21:16,
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