Regardless of any of that
if a woman feels violated then she is well within her rights to complain to the authorities.
'most people have done similar' is no excuse, brave enough to admit it or not.
(
Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:32,
Reply)
Sexist!
I've woke up some mornings and felt extremely violated after seeing what's sleeping next to me...
(
Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:37,
Reply)
You might want to leave your
MASSIVE DRUGS goggles at home then.
(
Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:38,
Reply)
You fancy Gail from Corrie?
(
Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:52,
Reply)
Is she the one who looks like a turtle?
(
Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:55,
Reply)
Turtle/hamster cross
a Turtster. That one.
(
Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:58,
Reply)
Hell yeah
Pass the kleenex
(
Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 21:00,
Reply)
Pfft
What do you think I'm made of money?
(
Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:51,
Reply)
It's hard to find the extra cash isn't it
when you are paying by the hour
(
Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 20:52,
Reply)
I think my wallets been stolen...
(
Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 21:02,
Reply)
Hi Herb,
the problem comes from legislating criminal behaviour around verbal consent when in a majority of cases of real human behaviour verbal consent is never given. Should people change their behaviour to comply with the law. The uk imposes an extra level that the accused "does not reasonably believe" that consent has been given for it to be rape. Given that they already had had consensual sex, is it unreasonable that Assange might have expected a second time to be consensual. And as for "feeling violated", women can also have these feeling when they regret sleeping with someone (in the assange case the two women did nothing until they found out he'd slept with both of them). Is this alone enough to condem someone. the other accuser (the condom one, not the sleeping one) was tweeting three hours later what a great party she was at.
Assange aside, (im not boasting, just giving examples), I've met a woman at a disco in Denmark, gone home with her and slept together, without saying a single word until the morning (in may ways it was the perfect one-night-stand). Why should any government legislate so we can't do this without getting verbal consent, or risk rape convictions. It changing human behaviour to suit the law, rather than having cleverer laws, and it takes the fun and spontanaity out it. Ive been married 10 years now, and I've always prefered sex where we don't negotiate it like a business meeting.
(
cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 22:28,
Reply)
Hey!
I have done the same. I see no problem in one night stands, for me. And yes, the fact we are going to have sex is implied.
Not now as I have a lovely fella of course.
I do get what you say about the 'she said/didnt say' thing.
But, yet again, If you are going to indulge in that behaviour, then there may just be a time when someone is going to say they didn't feel entirely comfortable with what happened. Going into the bedroom with a stranger is risky in countless ways.
He does have charges to answer to in a court of law. The women no matter what their motivations have said how they feel and he should make an attempt to clear his name.
I have friends who have been all OK about their encounters, then as reality hits, they feel awful. Smokescreen defenses going up maybe?
I dunno.
(
Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 23:00,
Reply)