Why should I concede something that is not true?
If you have the intelligence and/or resources to get a degree then you have the intelligence and/or resources to get a good job. That much would expect to be true. However, whether or not the degree would get you a higher earning job in that position is certainly not an easy call.
If you want the really big bucks then I am sure there are as many multi-milionaires who didn't use a degree as part of making their millions as there are who did.
The figures you quoted don't prove cause and effect.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 11:21, 1 reply)

See this:
"By "proper subject" I take it you mean law followed by ten years of 24 hour days?
Because if you don't for every graduate you point to I'll show you someone earning more who never went to university."

This is a crock of shite. I don't mind if you're a bit insecure and don't feel able to admit that it's a crock of shite. It's probably got something to do with the fact that you did a shit degree and have a mediocre life and resent other people their success.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 11:26, closed)

Nope.
I just know graduates and non graduates in similar roles and have also noticed that advertised graduate roles don't seem to pay more than other skilled roles.
The law comment was a little facetious because they're a group who spring to mind who do earn more and need a degree to do so. I know there will be three figure salaries in science and maths but Ive seen nothing to suggest that a degree in science or maths will guarantee that kind of earning potential.
For example if you want to earn a little more than an average graduate seems to me you could do so by takkng a vocational qualification or learning an equivalent skill.
For the record I'm both a non-graduate and a failure -- because I don't have what it takes to get a degree or a career.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 11:48, closed)

tl;dr
Still a crock of shite.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 12:02, closed)

Which bit and why?
You haven't said yet.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 12:16, closed)

The whole post.
Honestly ... I'm really not sure why you're banging away at this particular drum. Either you care because you have a chip on your shoulder about your lack of success ... or you're just arguing for the sake of it. I'm not sure at what point you are expecting it to become either endearing or engaging.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 12:37, closed)

Yet your only argument against it were zome irrelevant figures with selection bias.
I think you have an old fashioned view of things is all.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 12:59, closed)

My only argument was that it's a crock of shite.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 13:24, closed)

I think I've just come.
Either that or I've burst another abcess.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 20 Jan 2012, 14:51, closed)

Perhaps you've just broken a crock of shite.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Sat 21 Jan 2012, 9:14, closed)