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Smaug says: Ricky Gervais. Lesbian pr0n. Going into a crowded bar, purely because it's crowded. All these things seem to be popular with everybody else, but I just can't work out why. What leaves you cold just as much as it turns everyone else on?

(, Thu 15 Oct 2009, 14:54)
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erm sorry..
"Have you actually met / known anyone who has converted to Islam and behaved in the way you are describing ? Have you ever met a Muslim who has for instance been unhappy at the mention of Christmas ? Have you ever offered a Muslim food or drink (whether or not it was in Ramadan) ?"

yes big time:

I lived in Dubai for a year

I experienced all of the above and a lot worse

I had a meeting with a high ranking well educated government official who laughed that dithering colleagues who could not reach a decision "were like a Jew"

I have had a number supposedly devout Muslims tell me how they hated Jews and wanted to see them wiped from the face of the earth.

Any design work that contained any graphic that could even be remotely perceived as a cross, plus sign or even an 'x' "was offensive to Muslims"

A colleague went bonkers when an email was sent round inviting people for a ‘drink after work’

The mere sight of a non Muslim drinking water in their own car during Ramadan was an arrestable offence – and people ARE arrested for this every year.

The official media reported 18 RTA deaths due to dehydrated irritable drivers racing home for Iftar that year alone - Christ knows what the real figures were

All those Indian construction workers/slaves – 12 hours toiling in the height of summer during Ramadan - no water allowed.

Screens are put up for non Muslims to hide behind to eat their lunch.

The levels of hypocrisy were incredible - I worked with many Muslims who drank and used prostitutes and ate pork then reckoned observing Ramadan absolved them of this

I had a number of clients who basically went nocturnal in order to avoid Ramadan or went abroad but still expected you to work all day then meet them at night to smoke shisha.

and lets look at shisha - zero tolerance to drugs? i used to smoke a lot of weed and i can tell you for a fact - that stuff gets you completely bongoed

Supposedly very devout Muslims who were very rich from profits from bars and booze shops – also many who became rich from profits from interest charges on loans and mortgages – not supposed to happen under Islam

One of the most surreal experiences was being in a bar stuffed full of African and Russian prostitutes – hard to avoid in Dubai. The police wandering around to check no one was smoking and that no music was being played – yip that’s right an eerily quiet nightclub. So no smoking or music but prostitution and drinking was fine.

I would not have believed such open shameless racism sexism and sheer hypocrisy existed had I not experienced it first hand. Their culture their country you say? From what i saw all of their ideals were up for grabs when it suited them but god/allah help you if you contravened them.
(, Sat 17 Oct 2009, 11:05, Reply)

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