Luckily I wasn't trying to foster your respect.
But you ask on what grounds I call you an idiot? I have a pretty foolproof method for working it out as it happens. I let someone talk. Then I decide if they are an idiot.

I don't have a position on your statement, it's your statement, I didn't raise the question. I said that if you get punished for breaking the speed limit, shut the fuck up and don't bitch about it. I made no comment on whether the speed limit was correct in the first place, because it's utterly irrelevent to my point which, to bring us back to where I started, is that I wish people like you would shut the fuck up.

I'd be politer about it, but given that that was my point before you waded in, there seems litlle point in backtracking now.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 17:28, 1 reply)

Yet again
"If you disagree with this statement then please provide either evidence, or a coherent argument to support your position."

You have failed to do this. I will therefore not bother replying further, unless you can come up with some actual argument which makes sense.

(Aha - just saw your edit)

OK - regarding your post here, I think this spat is largely the result of a misunderstanding (correct me if I'm wrong). You are quite correct, you made no comment on whether you believed that the speed limit was right in the first place - therefore if you believed that I believed you did, then it's evident that you took my original reply to your post as a disagreement. In fact, my original reply was not disagreement pre se with your OP - it was just a continuation of the discussion in a wider context.

Anyway - regarding "bitching about speeding tickets", it may surprise you to learn that I largely agree: if you got a speeding ticket, then whatever you believe about the merits or not of that particular limit, the fact remains that you were exceeding the limit and you were not careful in that you got caught by a camera or a police speed trap. The police are merely doing their job after all. Moaning about it won't change it.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Mon 5 Mar 2012, 17:31, closed)