I don't see how that justifies you puttting others at danger from you.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:06, 1 reply)

Because
I see any potential damage caused to others to be less harmful than the potential damage caused to me. You might see this as selfish, but it's self-preservation, and I challenge you to do a daily commute on a bike in any major city without breaking one of the "rules".

Anyway. I'd never whizz through at 25mpg. I proceed with caution.
( rofl harris, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:13, closed)

Cool. So you don't mind me shooting at cyclists who jump red lights
And if I wing you, you'll understand because it was just self-preservation.

Oh, and while I'm at it, punching random grannies in the face in case they're martial arts-trained suicide bombers.

Pfft. "Fuck you I'm alright let them die I'm worth more than other people".

And yet you seem to think it's not OK for car drivers to hold such an attitude.

Brolly through the spokes time, I'm sure you'll agree.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:17, closed)

I half expected you to invoke Godwin there

( rofl harris, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:25, closed)

Indeed - it does seem that logic isn't your strongest suite.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:29, closed)

"Oh, and while I'm at it, punching random grannies in the face in case they're martial arts-trained suicide bombers."
And you're somehow claiming the above as analogous to jumping a red light.
( rofl harris, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:37, closed)

This is also turning into a bit of a row
So let's agree to disagree.

edit: hehe saw your deleted post there. Concede? Never! Muhahaha. Now I'm off to run over babies and punch grannies in the face from my honda-bmx-ninja-bikeamathing
( rofl harris, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:37, closed)

No - I'm taking your logic of self-preservation and the law only applying to me as and when I see fit to it's logical conclusion
IE - I can do what I like, but other people should do as they're told.

Your position is one of hypocrisy - on the one hand you complain that car drivers endanger cyclists, but on the other you take that as justification to endanger pedestrians and feel no need to apologise.

So one rule for you, another for everyone else.

I don't agree with that position.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:44, closed)

Nope, that's not my viewpoint
Everyone should be able to break a law that endangers them, as long as it doesn't endanger others.

/edit ... and if it does endanger others, that it endangers them LESS than it would you by not breaking that law. E.g. a quick whizz over the lights with nothing coming (proceeding with caution), versus a chance (however small) of getting killed.
( rofl harris, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:46, closed)

Right, OK.
So if I own a car it's OK for me to endanger cyclists if I feel endangered by trucks.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:48, closed)

Nope
Read what I typed:

"Everyone should be able to break a law that endangers them, as long as it doesn't endanger others."

If there's no cyclist there, then by all means take evasive (or even pre-emptive) action.

"And if it does endanger others, that it endangers them LESS than it would you by not breaking that law."

If there's a cyclist there, killing the cyclist to preserve yourself is never acceptable.

/edit: and now I do have to go home. Carefully. On my brompton.
( rofl harris, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:50, closed)

Hahaha
Thanks for playing.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 26 Jul 2010, 17:54, closed)