"its why you find more humane system when you travel to the less developed countries"
Well, no, you don't.

I could get into specific examples, like the countries where they've charged female rape victims with adultery.

But, more broadly, look at any survey of human rights in the world. The countries 'secretly run by soul-less socialist technocrats' are measurably more humane by any standard.

In fact this is true even within the First World. The Nordic countries are clearly more planned societies than, say, the US, and equally clearly have higher standards of personal freedom (and, as a side point, higher standards of not giving a trillion dollars to the people who just nearly wrecked their economy).

Your statement doesn't sound like something you've experienced, or even analysed by looking at (eg) Amnesty International reports on various countries. It sounds like something you've read and then passed on without thinking about it.
(apeloverage committed the vile act of onanism on, Tue 7 Oct 2008, 17:31, 2 replies)

Now that's enough
you just stop with all those researched and logical arguments there. It's not fair on the poor chap.

I'm finding it very off putting seeing all this rational argument coming from you instead of pictures of kittens.
( Bazongaloid, Tue 7 Oct 2008, 17:59, closed)

Apeloverage...
...has gone right up in my estimation. Not only does he supply fluffeh on demand, but he's also got a brain almost as big as Enzyme's the size of a planet.

*raises virtual pint*
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Tue 7 Oct 2008, 18:08, closed)

Apeloverage
has always been pretty high in my estimation ever since I read the post from his mother asking us to click as he was sad about not having a first page post for a while.

And I'm glad you edited that response to remove the reference to being as clever as Enzyme.

No-one is as clever as Enzyme. Ane fule kno that.
( Bazongaloid, Tue 7 Oct 2008, 18:10, closed)

Ah, it wasn't edited
It was the safest way I could acknowledged Ape's cerebral awesomeness without inadvertently slurring Deep Thought Enzyme.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Tue 7 Oct 2008, 18:16, closed)

I'll answer this post and the one below in this reply
nice to see you're actually thinking about this but I couldn't disagree more

YOUR QUOTE
"its why you find more humane system when you travel to the less developed countries"Well, no, you don't. I could get into specific examples, like the countries where they've charged female rape victims with adultery.

well yes you do - I'm not talking about cases in countries like Pakistan, which is what you're refering to - I'm talking about the grassroots value system you see at the community level - in the areas with a notable absence of an imposed technocratic system or male orientated religious dogma


YOUR QUOTE
And I just realised that describing the United Nations as powerful makes no sense Obviously the UN has staff etc, which aren't employed by any of the individual governments that make it up.
But the decision-making, such as it is, is entirely done by representatives of the respective governments.
It's like saying that the World Cup has a great soccer team.
No law passed in Britain was passed by Labor or the Conservatives: they were all passed by Parliament. You could conclude from that that there's a permanent government which operates whether Labor or the Conservatives are in. But most people wouldn't, because they realise that 'Parliament' isn't a seperate force to political parties, it's the means by which one party or the other pass laws.
Ditto the UN. It, considered as an entity seperate to the national governments that make it up, has never done anything.
In fact most criticism of it is based around the fact that the larger powers can veto anything in defiance of the rest of the world ie it's criticised for *not* being a world government..

sorry but that's bollocks and I was talking about the UN as merely a tool through which the Foundations and The Royal Institute for International Affairs operate, as you well know

Prof Carrol Quigley said that Technocrats like Brewsinsky, Kissinger, and Maurice Strong work behind the scenes to get things done and are not elected, with more power than any president

also look into the purpose and formation fo the UN pre cusor the League of Nations


they have always wanted and pushed for a global government set-up with three trading blocks - pushed by The Royal Institute for International Affairs - the organization backed by the British Crown (the Crown corporation not the Queen) and The Council on Foreign Relations (US wing)

the first, a united Europe, followed by a united Americas - the North American Union up and running by 2012 (with the Amero as its currency) and then a united Pacific Rim region

they set-up these organizations and foundations to bring it about

and you say they have no influence and power??

The Council on Foreign Relations came out admitting that they drafted up the legislation for the integration for the Americas, NAFTA amalgamation and gave it to the governments to sign

no power of these unelected groups?

don't make me laugh

The Royal Institute for International Affairs essentially runs the world through their satellite arms like the Trilateral Commission and The CFR - drafting up income tax and property tax bills

and we have thinktanks working for them like The Club of Rome who push the collectivist soviet model (soviet means rule by councils) - Lenin said the world must be given services which will eventually become authorities over the people

you seriously need to research the power behind the UN and the Foundations and let go of the notion you have about it as a charming bunch of bumbling foreign stereotypes who can't agree on the lunch menu
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 8 Oct 2008, 10:33, closed)

"I'm talking about the grassroots value system you see at the community level"
You mean like shotgun weddings, racist lynchings, loveless marriages, rampant homophobia, xenophobia and general bigotry, and strict, brutal upbringing for children?
(Musuko, Wed 8 Oct 2008, 13:58, closed)

nope
I'm talking about the humane system of co dependance - a value system which regulates itself out of necessity to treat your fellow man as you would yourself - the barter system which existed way before the introduction of finance, city state civilizations and the beaurocratic bullshit which comes with it - this isn't some ideological fantasy

the examples you've given are aberrations either as a result of religious dogma or skewed group political ideology
(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Wed 8 Oct 2008, 14:27, closed)