I don't agree that tramps made that their choice.

I'm sure a tiny percent did. but for most of them some fucked up thing (and or) mental illness (not forgetting) addiction of some sort put them there.

I don't see addiction as choice.

Once, I saw a guy horrible burnt begging - remade eyelids and no fingers level of burnt. I gave him money.

I read a while later that some homeless do this on purpose to earn more money and get a long stay in hospital. If i'd have known that I've given him a lot more money. he wants it more than I do.
(waxdart hello., Wed 14 Jul 2010, 11:59, 1 reply)

Sorry - yes - I agree. I was merely trying to pre-empt the argument.
But I don't see where people get off humiliating others.

BUT

As a smoker and the son of an alcoholic, I do believe addiction is a choice.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:06, closed)

Substance dependence and Behavioral addiction
"As a smoker and the son of an alcoholic"

At that level I agree that for most people it is a choice. To give up is a choice.

For other, to get to a point in life where you have "choice" or to even realise that there is a choice and as a person you are able to carry out said choice. Is another matter.

Just don't go find Jesus and replace nice addictions with a fucking stupid one.
(waxdart hello., Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:31, closed)

Of the ex-addicts I've known who have found Jesus
Replacing smack, crack or booze addiction with being boring at parties and/or mildly annoying is far better for everyone than the chemical one.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 14 Jul 2010, 12:51, closed)