Clarification
So it's OK to be a scrounger as long as you're a traditional British scrounger, and not one of them there foreign scroungers?

No. But the difference is that if a scrounger is a British citizen, we're basically stuck with them because there's nothing else to do with them. However, if they're not a British citizen then we DO have a choice to expel them back to their own country.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 16:19, 1 reply)

Rebuttal
"No. But the difference is that if a scrounger is a British citizen, we're basically stuck with them because there's nothing else to do with them."

Not at all. We could put them in prison, or labour camps, or simply execute them. Or just let them starve or die of disease. Not very nice suggestions, admittedly, but they exist.

Why don't we do this? Because it's barbaric.


"However, if they're not a British citizen then we DO have a choice to expel them back to their own country."

And if they go back they might face prison, or labour camps, or execution, or starving to death or dying from simple disease.

Not that this is guaranteed, of course, but this is why we have a system for asylum seekers to seek asylum.

Again, if the problem is with the scrounging aspect and not the immigrant aspect then why not focus on how to identify and resolve that?
(phyphor, Mon 5 Apr 2010, 16:31, closed)

Wrong
Not at all. We could put them in prison, or labour camps, or simply execute them. Or just let them starve or die of disease. Not very nice suggestions, admittedly, but they exist.

Why don't we do this? Because it's barbaric.

You answered your own question there. The reason we don't do those things to the British scroungers is because it would be inhumane.

But sending a person back to their HOME COUNTRY is not inhumane.
By the way - this thread was not specifically about asylum seekers - we're talking about economic migrants, who will NOT be tortured/killed back in their own country. The "asylum seeker" thread is another topic.

Again, if the problem is with the scrounging aspect and not the immigrant aspect then why not focus on how to identify and resolve that?

Yes, I agree that we should try to solve the scrounging problem. But there is no reason why we should have to play the mug and accept OTHER countries' scroungers, on top of our own! Let these people be a burden on the taxpayers of their HOME countries - and not on the taxpayers on THIS country.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 0:54, closed)