Shame indeed.
I have tried to get my head around it for years. I can only think that these women feel the need to out do the men by being a twisted version of ultra masculine - what they perceive masculine to be, rather than the nice thing it can be. I dunno - perhaps someone with a psychology background could explain it.
(The Curse of Millhaven. Pretty little mouth underneath all the foaming, Mon 28 Jan 2013, 12:21, 1 reply)

Not sure you got my points
Behaviour that is deemed normal and even advantageous in men is deemed unsuitable in women because it is 'unfeminine' - how is this fair?

On the one hand, these women are being criticised for behaving a certain way, but it seems to be the only way they can achieve promotion; whilst men who behave the same way and achieve promotion are not being criticised.
( wakeupandsmellthebacon, Mon 28 Jan 2013, 13:59, closed)

Ahhh I see.
A fair point. I'm sorry if I have not explained it well, but it's difficult for me to put it in to words. My problem isn't so much women acting like men to get on, but more so the fact that they go way beyond masculine in their efforts, breaching in to the aggressive and unkind. They also switch from ultra femanine to ultra aggressive and nasty depending on who they are aroundet the moment. One such woman literally delights in trotting to management fluttering her eyelashes and being oh so humble and wonderful... Yet to low ranking civs (like me), behind closed doors the tone changes from sweet to sour very quickly. There is no good reason for it, other than making herself feel powerful. I've come across tons of women in the force who do it - and a few men, but far less so.

I personally don't feel that it is the only way for women to get up the ranks these days. There is buckets of support for women in policing now - tons of development opportunities and processes in place to ensure everyone gets a fair crack of the whip.But, oddly, I find that female career police officers still feel the need to get where they are going by unpleasant means. Yes, there are men that do it too - but personally, I find the women more ruthless. I'm speaking from experiences I have observed over a decade working within the police culture. I'm not the only one who has noticed it - when we hear we are to get a new gaffer (Inspector)everyone goes in to overdrive to find out if its going to be a woman as we know we will have a harder time of it under female supervision. Female PCs offen feel it worst and dread working for a women. It's weird, I can't explain it and I don't know if its perculiar to the police or a common thread in work places.I can only assume that it's an occupation that appeals to a certain personality type that I personally don't like.

To be fair and to meet your opinions halfway, the organisation does little to tackle the bullying culture - I suppose it suits them to some degree.

No offence meant, just my personal findings and I very much wish it was different :)
(The Curse of Millhaven. Pretty little mouth underneath all the foaming, Mon 28 Jan 2013, 15:17, closed)

I remember the good old days when all a woman had to do to get ahead was sleep with the boss.
A simpler time; a happier time.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 28 Jan 2013, 16:55, closed)